Apes of Wrath roster - discussion thread & star players

[Dzerards]

A guy in our TT league is taking Apes this season, and I'm seriously thinking about dropping Wild Animal from the Gorillas for the main reason mentioned above.

My question is, how much should a 5 4 2 8 Grab, Extra Arms/Hands Gorilla cost?

Using the Ulfwerners as a base, you are probably looking at the same 110k cost, but if the lineapes are slightly overpriced at 50k, I'd be leaning to a 100k cost for the Gorillas. Thoughts.

[Shteve0]

Funnily enough... we've been thinking about precisely that (a 100k Gorilla with the WA dropped entirely). Here's a quick comparison to the Chaos Warrior.

Chaos Warrior 100k 5439 None GSM/AP
Gorilla Blocker 100k 5428 Grab, Extra Arms GS/AP

I think that's probably a fair costing. It offers the roster strength but without straying into the USPs of the can opener ability of Chaos or the attrition of Orcs. I still think they'd be a T1.5 maximum, but I'm hearing a lot of stories back from playtesters about Wild Animal being completely debilitating (would still need to stay on the Silverback of course).

Interested to hear what others think of this idea. With the previously pitched 10k boost on the Silverback it would take us to:

0-16 Lineape 50k 6337 Extra Hands G/ASP
0-2 Thrower 70k 5338 Extra Hands, Big Hand, Strong Arm GP/AS
0-2 Runner 80k 7337 Extra Hands, Wrestle GA/SP
0-4 Gorilla 100k 5428 Extra Hands, Grab GS/AP
0-1 Silverback 140k 5519 Loner, Extra Hands, Grab, Wild Animal, Mighty Blow S/GAP

[Toffer]

I voted for Puggy. Because you gave me the opportunity. So you only have yourself to blame

[Lychanthrope]

Thanks for the new AoW line-up I adjusted my copy accordingly. Maybe you guys need to visit 3DB again to talk about the team. I found and listened to the old one last night.

[Dzerards]

Cool, I think we'll run with that. I'll let you know how it goes.

[SunDevil]

ShteveO and I have been discussing this in depth. Locally, we are playing a version that differs slightly so that we can compare the results. Our main difference is the skill access on the Gorillas and one skill on the Orang. Our local playtest version -

0-16 Lineape 50k 6337 Extra Hands G/ASP
0-2 Thrower 70k 5338 Extra Hands, Strong Arm GP/AS
0-2 Runner 80k 7337 Extra Hands, Wrestle GA/SP
0-4 Gorilla 100k 5428 Extra Hands, Grab AS/GP
0-1 Silverback 140k 5519 Loner, Extra Hands, Grab, Wild Animal, Mighty Blow S/GAP
60k RRs

We do not play Big Hand on the Orang and swapped G for A on the Gorillas. We want to show their 'wildness' (G access too 'safe') without Wild Animal and also give them a different development curve than BoBs and Ulfs.

Eventually, ShteveO and I want to agree on one, solid "official" AoW roster between the team's creator (me) and the original roster designer (ShteveO). Thanks to all of you who are also playtesting versions! I hope you enjoy them!

And yes, I absolutely want to have ShteveO and company back on 3DB near the end of our AoW project!

[Lychanthrope]

Eventually, ShteveO and I want to agree on one, solid "official" AoW roster between the team's creator (me) and the original roster designer (ShteveO). Thanks to all of you who are also playtesting versions! I hope you enjoy them!

And yes, I absolutely want to have ShteveO and company back on 3DB near the end of our AoW project!

+1 +1 = +2 Look forward to both of those plans.

[SunDevil]

We are having a lot of success with the Gorillas have AG and ST access, while losing WA. It keeps them 'wild' and makes their development unique among their peers (Chaos Warriors, BoBs, Saurus, etc). They are certainly not broken good but they also do not fall apart. I like a 5 tier system, 1 being the best, and I would put the Apes at a high-4 with the AS Gorilla roster.

We will also have some tournament data from our 3DBrawl this June!

[Rolex]

I love this version.
It looks like lots of fun.

[Dzerards]

Played my first game against them last month with the no wild animal roster.

Opponent went with

4 Gorillas
1 Orang-utan
2 Runners
4 line apes
2 rerolls
Apoth

I think, in hindsight, dropping the Apoth and Orang-utan for a 5th line ape and 3rd reroll might have been better. That said it was an entertaining game, with mass XA and grab making them hard to contain, but that AV7 hurt as my Gobbos raced into quick numbers advantage.

They've got Dwarfs, as well as possibly Undead and Pact to play in the rest of their group so I'll let youse know how they get on.

[petitgars]

-i love the orang outang,
-i think the first vertion is overpriced. I think it is more simple to use only one roster (the orc one) on basis, and have 4 ape runner.
-no leap? could be cool for chimp (with strengh decreased as 2 and strip ball?)

[SunDevil]

http://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpB ... sc&start=0

Should help us acquire more data in the long run.

[babass]

http://fumbbl.com/index.php?name=PNphpB ... sc&start=0

Should help us acquire more data in the long run.

Great

[SunDevil]

Apes Week 2 match is this Sunday, June 8th @ noon (CST (US), which is, I think, 19:00 BB time. Please correct me if needed!

This will be their "European" debut as the last game had to be scheduled at a not-Euro-friendly time. Hope to see/hear everyone there!

We will also be discussing the FUMBBL Ape project and their first game (vs. Dwarves) on the next 3DB, due out Monday June 9th!

[Axtklinge]

So, any further developments you guys might share on this?
Have the two slightly different rosters "merged" yet, or still in play testing?

Cheers,
A.