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Fenryll · Post by **Fenryll** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 6:22 pm

hey i find another khemri list
QTY POSITION MV ST AG AV SKILLS COST
0-12 Skeleton 5 3 2 7 Regenerate 30K
0-6 Wight 6 3 3 8 Block, Regenerate 80K
0-2 Wight Lord 5 4 2 9 Block, Regenerate 100K
0-2 Mummy 3 5 1 9 Mighty Blow, Regenerate 100K
RE-ROLLS: 60k

This one is better and i prefer it. which is the good one ??

Post by **Thadrin** » Tue Aug 27, 2002 8:03 pm

Just my 0.02 and I have yet to lay hands on BBMag3, but I can't stand EITHER list and I would never want toplay either of them despite owning the good old CoD box set (which now has 5 completely redundant models in it).

I LOATHE the Thro-Ra and Blitz-ra magic helmet thing I read about. It screams "we wanted them to have this and couldn't come up with anything better.

I'll certainly not be playing Khemri anytime soon.

Fenryll · Post by **Fenryll** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 5:39 am

It's same for me, I like my undead like this !!!

So please let the undead live lol

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 7:48 am

The Old World in BB is not the same as the Old World in WHFB. That, for one thing, is clear. The world in BB is an adjusted version to make it possible for the game to exist.

Consequently, we should not think WH army => BB team

But instead we should think:
What kind of persons would found BB teams, and what kind of players they would recruit (and what kind of players would agree).

Now, if we think of the necromancer or the vampire lord planning to create a BB team, what would he go for?

He wouldn't follow the WH army boundaries, he would get anything that's dead and suitable for his means:
Cheap and affordable linemen (WH philosophy for the undead holds here).... zombies and skeletons - easily available.
Something strong he needs... mummies! If he doesn't live in Khemri area, he'll have a mummy or two imported - the reason for their high price.
Not much ball-carrying with these, he thinks. Wights are the answer... but to have speed and more agility, he thinks he'll hire a few of the ghouls that are hanging around his cemetaries.

And avot: we have a team that an undead lord, where-ever his from, would create. And oh my, it seems like the current undead team, doesn't it?

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 8:35 am

I think that it should exist two undead teams : one undead khemri team and one undead imperial team (the classic one with a necromancer or vampire coach ).

Mummies can't play with the non khemri undead team cos they serve the Tomb Kings of Khemri. Other necromancer can't create mummies.

Fenryll · Post by **Fenryll** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:07 am

I agrre with you Trambi !!!

But a undead Team without mummy it's like NFL league without The Cowboys or 49ers.

So If you throw the mummie, they must be replaced by golem for example but not by these stupid golem who cost 120k and not have regenerate.

ljm · Post by **ljm** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:49 am

I think the new undead lists are ok. I especially like the return of Frank N. Stein and his fellow flesh golems. We'll allow both the new undead or the old, so no problem there. The only thing that bothers me is the werewolf - I would've liked to have a whole new werewolf team instead.

ljm

Fenryll · Post by **Fenryll** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:54 am

Yes a new werewolve team will be great. But i don't understand why there is werewolve in undead team.

In 2nd edition, if there is undead vs werewolve, there is a rule call WOUF WOUF (in french) where the werewolve could take the bone and so the undead couldn't regenerate

And so Ljm are you sure that the old version of undead will exist after that the new one arrive ???

ljm · Post by **ljm** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 9:56 am

Fenryll wrote: And so Ljm are you sure that the old version of undead will exist after that the new one arrive ???

In our league, yes. About the official rules, no idea.

ljm

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:03 am

Personnally i get the impression that the Undead Mummy has been sacrificed to make way for its inclusion in the Khemri team.

What i really want to know is why did the undead need changing anyway. I for one certainly didn't think they were overpowered and i can only think that the reason for exclusion is now part of a marketing ploy. I have heard somewhere it mentioned that because they were the best teams at Amsterdam, then they were overpowered. lets give some credit to the coaches please. Does that mean every time a team wins a tournament it has to be punished by having its best position removed from the roster?
Pub Rules here we come.

Next i really dont like the idea of magic helmets, hell why not give them to a human team as well and hey presto I've got an agility 4 thrower and blitzer.

Thirdly , my condolences to those who have recently purchased the CoD Boxed team, i suppose they'll look ok in the cabinet. At least at present the rules are unofficial.

next why on earth have a werewolf been added to this new roster. just to placate the exclusion of Mummies no doubt. werewolves need a side of there own not to be used as some reject Big Guy.

With talk of vampire teams hitting Blood Bowl mag 4 we'll have a ridiculous amount of Undead variations, whereas vampires should have made the undead roster if Mummies were to disappear, which i hasten to add should still be on the Undead roster.

Still . Thank Goodness for house rules

shaniepoo · Post by **shaniepoo** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:09 am

I agree with the concept of the mummies being moved over to the Khemri team and think that the Flesh Golem is an ok substitute. The were on the other hand should be left out of the undead team, for one main reason... they aint 'undead'. Were's are humans who shift physical form with the phases of the moon. If you are going to do a were for a team it should be for the Norse (only so i can add it to my Norse were' team-RABID). Use the stats Fenryll gave in the Necromantic team but -1M and +1AG. They would still have a good M-7 and the AG-4 would represent the agile wolf in them. Maybe drop Catch and give them Leap or Jump Up?

Werewolf 110K 7 3 4 7 Frenzy, Razor Sharp Fangs, Leap/Jump up
* Can gain Gen+AG skills.

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:22 am

Werewolves are different from undead. So why must they belong to classic undead team ?
In my mind, there are Khemri team (skeleton, mummies, ...tomb gardians ?), Classic "Imperial" undead team (skeletons, zombies, ghouls, wights, ...

) and werewolve team (werewolves and someone else

).

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:37 am

Apologies for the following!!!

<rant mode="on">
Why should we be at all interested in the Old World / Warhammer anyway? It really is quite a dull game as far as I can see - you build an army for a certain number of points, you fight a battle, and someone wins. That's about it. Your army doesn't develop, so in the end there was no real outcome of the battle. If they came up with a decent system of experience for Warhammer, it might be better. Blood Bowl on the other hand is a far superior game and the teams shouldn't have to be affected by what goes on the Warhammer-world.
</rant>

Cheers,
Martyn

Post by **Thadrin** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:42 am

I can live with there being three variant undead lists:
Necromantic: Zombies, Ghouls, Wights, Flesh Golems.
Khemri: Skeletons, Mummies, Tomb Guardians (none of this numpty Magic helmets stuff - what was wrong with the old list beyond the GR ally?).
Vampire: Vampire Count, lessser Vampires, Thralls. (or whatever the BBMag4 lists look like....we'll see.)

Whichever way you look at it, both the lists from BBMag3 - which I will admit I have yet to read - have minimal appeal. This is not a good thing.

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Aug 28, 2002 10:55 am

For the vampire team, it's a pb cos the usual teammates of vampire are ghouls, wights, skeletons, ... I see it as a classic necromantic undead team with a vampire coach instead of a necromancer.

For the werewolves, a whole team with would be as powerfull as a team of Drakenborg.

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