Willys Miniatures Troll Slayer seems HUGE!

[Fassbinder75]

i would have flipped the table if i was to sit and be stalled for even 2 turns...
sh*tyest way to play the game.

Skaven coach!

[bound for glory]

no. chaos.

[J_Bone]

I don't mind a bit of stalling but you have to be gentlemanly about it. A Wood Elf coach wouldn't give up their advantage of dodging or catching an accurate pass on a 2+ and you don't hear people bitching about coaches taking advantage of that but yeah... 6 turns (and it was 6 turns of slow, thought out play so it took a while) is about twice as much as I would ever want to force onto someone (especially as he had all of 4 people on the pitch by the end). The same night I had been playing against gobbos and took a turn or two to try and smash some extra people off the pitch but I scored before it became gratuitous. I also wasn't hanging out on the line... I was just grinding the cage up there a bit slower than I could have.

[Heff]

That being said I did it to a poor slann coach at Vaultbowl last year with my necro team. Stalled him for about 4 turns first half and then four more second half while he shredded his team failing leaps. Cannot have been much fun for him.
At the risk of turning this into a stall thread there is an argument which says that if I don't stall on you I am being disrespectful, "You are such a bad coach that I can give you the ball and six turns and I will still win"

[ChenZhen]

Clock management is part of NFL football, turn management is a part of Blood Bowl.

More on topic...

I really like most Willy minis and teams. Yes, they are bigger scale than GW, but GW scale varies wildly.

I played Warhammer Fantasy 3rd - 6th editions. Each time they came back to an army, they seemed to have grown. Look at the rapid size growth of orcs from edition to edition. This made a force with old and new units look odd at times...which probably wasn't a subtle attempt to get players to purchase the new upgraded minis.

In the older editions, bigger didn't always equal stronger. Mummies were on the standard (20mm) human sized base, were human height, but were strength 5 vs the human standard 3. The fact mummies were the same strength as ogres (on 40mm bases), but on normal infantry bases made them a terrifying unit! I'd like to see some more variety in height on a team, rather than every human being exactly the same height. This is easier with a slightly larger scale.

On the Blood Bowl side, I don't mind bigger or smaller minis. I do prefer playing on a 40mm pitch so I can more easily see all the action, and lay down dynamically posed (or Willy sized) minis without clogging up the pitch.

[Madsherman]

My Willy halflings are pretty big as well, but I guess they could be very tall and fat for halflings... They still look like they break easily enough

[Apòstol]

It's funny...

Why we manufacturers are supposed to follow the GW scale? As far as I know, those minis are discontinued. What's the point of following a discontinued line?

In my opinion, a pretty good option is to follow the Willy Miniatures scale. At least, it's what I plan to with my brand Meiko Miniatures.

[cdwat]

Why we manufacturers are supposed to follow the GW scale? As far as I know, those minis are discontinued. What's the point of following a discontinued line?

I would say that the majority of BB players have teams that are GW scale, even if they aren't GW miniatures.
Part of the appeal of BB is the aesthetics of seeing the wonderfully painted minis on the pitch, having the scales vary so much greatly detracts from this.
Another problem is that Willy scale miniatures really clog up the pitch and make playing more difficult. They're just too big to fit on the squares.

I like a lot of the Meiko miniatures, but unfortunately I won't be buying any because they just don't fit in with my other teams.

[Steam Ball]

It's funny...

Why we manufacturers are supposed to follow the GW scale? As far as I know, those minis are discontinued. What's the point of following a discontinued line?

In my opinion, a pretty good option is to follow the Willy Miniatures scale. At least, it's what I plan to with my brand Meiko Miniatures.

Why launch products for a discontinued game? What's the point?

[Stout Youngblood]

Most game systems are a 28mm scale. The miniatures your company makes is for a game system that is 28mm. Why wouldn't you continue to make it in a 28mm scale?

Don't get me wrong, I like the miniatures the from Willy but they are way too big to be used in a 28mm scaled game.

If Meiko also wants to continue to make the larger scale miniatures, that is just another reason I won't buy from them.

[Norse]

For me it's simple, game pieces need to fit the board you play on, right?

If a chess piece took up four squares you wouldn't be able to use it.

Ipso facto.....

A BB mini should fit on the pitch comfortably, standing AND prone!

[axia]

I've had the same problem with the vampires too but the new gw miniatures are almost the same. They are 28mm heroic scale, something like 30mm

[Chris]

It's funny...

Why we manufacturers are supposed to follow the GW scale? As far as I know, those minis are discontinued. What's the point of following a discontinued line?

In my opinion, a pretty good option is to follow the Willy Miniatures scale. At least, it's what I plan to with my brand Meiko Miniatures.

I just wish all you manufactures could be clearer abot the scale. Maybe have 3 ratings - 2nd edition (the original skaven and jes's Elves), 3rd edition (the wahammer army style high elves etc) and Willy (the biggist sizing). Then state on the sales sites which ones they are!

Or even the pitch sizes they can be used with...
Polystyrene astrogranite
30mm (or close enough)
40mm

[connexion]

In my opinion, a pretty good option is to follow the Willy Miniatures scale. At least, it's what I plan to with my brand Meiko Miniatures.

To begin with, Willy & Meiko aren't the only miniature manufacturers out there and most are following the "universal" 28-30mm scale. Also, BB is not the only game around (discontinued as it may be) and some people may buy BB miniatures to use in other games and Miniatures from other games to use in BB. I know I do.

That being said, I jumped on the Willy Amazons Kickstarter but did worry a bit about Willy's "bigness" (no pun intended!) before deciding to fork over the cash.

Also, I was tempted with buying Willy's version of Setekh. Good thing I didn't as it's obscenely huge compared to the rest of my Necro/Undead team (in which I use the first version of Willy's mummies), even when compared with the Heresy werewolves I use...

[axia]

I think that a lot of people follows the GW scale because the first blood bowl miniatures were gw. However, that "true 28mm scale" isn't followed even from the gw itself now! They grown in scale in the last years as every warhammer player knows. And I'm happy with this, because if 2mm more could give me better details and better miniatures to paint I'm in! In fact, as I wrote in my post, I was really happy withe the willy vampires, because of that! Maybe I talk only as a painter and I don't understand gaming problems, if there are some!