what would you pay for sprues?

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 5:53 pm

You don't understand. We're not talking about GW here. We're talking about an independent sculptor who would need to move some merchandise to make it a viable option. He couldn't afford to make a bunch of stuff and sit on it till someone who has to pay inflated prices comes along.

Oh Mr. Speedy, I'd add a football to each sprue and some broken bits to do bases up with.

JustGriff · Post by **JustGriff** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 6:21 pm

Won't happen. Else were its been mention that another 'party' wanted to do a spure but GW said that they were going to do it, so it would be them who did it. Anything else who tryed to get it done would be breaking copy right. People can 'dream' as to what they would want as parts but if its done it would be GW who did it, so i do understand

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 8:00 pm

JustGriff wrote:Won't happen. Else were its been mention that another 'party' wanted to do a spure but GW said that they were going to do it, so it would be them who did it. Anything else who tryed to get it done would be breaking copy right. People can 'dream' as to what they would want as parts but if its done it would be GW who did it, so i do understand

Actually you don't have a clue on this one sorry.

There are no copyrights at all on Fantasy Football. Otherwise Shadowforge, Hasbro, RAFM, Heresy, and Phigs Miniatures would all be under lawsuit right now as they produce Fantasy Football accessories and minatures ... they are not ... so clearly we have very comfortable knowledge that you are incorrect with your statement above.

Okay that established ... we can then easily say that creating Fantasy Football conversion sprues can not in anyway be a copyright right infringement. In order for such an endevor to be against the law, it would require GW to be the only miniature company on the planet that had miniatures to convert. Since that is very very very far from being true, then GW would have no legal ground to stand on. Keep in mind that Heresy and Shadowforge produce fantasy football miniatures without even having a game that they are suggested to be used with. Hasbro at least has Battleball, RAFM has BoulderBowl (IIRC), and Phigs Miniatures has Elfball but it appears that even these constructs are not required. However, anyone making Fantasy Football sprues could very easily say they are parts for Elfball, Boulderball, and Battleball conversions and never blink an eye from being honest.

Bottom line, JustGriff, I worked for a year with copyright law in my job and there is zero copyright issue with such a sprue creation as has been described. I look forward to seeing them within the next year, Lucien. You'll have my $2.50 in a heartbeat for several sprues ... I need these first three sprues to be a success, because I really want that Illegal Implement Sprue ...

Galak

JustGriff · Post by **JustGriff** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 8:47 pm

A company producing a sprue for GW bb models is breaking copy right. If they are using GW and its BB models as a point to sell there product.
Them advertising it for 'fantasy' models would past. So i DO think i have an idea about what people are taking about. Maybe the US has diffeent 'copy right laws' living in the UK i would not know. Don't go making your self to comfortable.

Evil Git · Post by **Evil Git** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:03 pm

justgriff

the personthinking about making them is phil from phigsminiatures so in theory he's making them to use for his own figures.

also gw don't mind you converting their own figures with whatever you want, so in my opinion everythings ok.

JustGriff · Post by **JustGriff** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:05 pm

If he makes them and they look any good then by all means go a head and do it. I would like to see some new bits to make the 'boring' linemen look diffrent.

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:45 pm

JustGriff wrote:If he makes them and they look any good then by all means go a head and do it. I would like to see some new bits to make the 'boring' linemen look diffrent.

mate you're right AND wrong. If someone was to make something for GW BB figures and try to sell it they would be stopped as it is infringing GW's IP and copyright on it's product. However, GW CANNOT copyright the term of idea of fantasy football, hence the multitudes of other companies selling their own figures. Heresy is one of them, and he's in the UK yet he hasn't been shut down - it's perfectly legal to make generic fantasy football things. And the whole US is different to the UK argument is invalid too, as this falls under international copyright law, so it is perfectly legal for ANYONE to make ANY generic fantasy football product. Once they tie it into GW stuff they can be sued but until then they can't.

So I don't think we'll be waiting too long for these sprues...

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 9:46 pm

lol, re-reading that do you think I got the "anyone can make generic FF figures" across?

Post by **Dave** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:27 pm

fan factor figures ???

Evil Git · Post by **Evil Git** » Sun Nov 02, 2003 10:55 pm

Dave wrote:fan factor figures ???

nearly dave

Biff Smackwell · Post by **Biff Smackwell** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:32 am

I really like this idea. However I'm wondering how hard it would be to fit a head into one of them helmets. I think a few heads with helmets would be pretty cool, an open faced and a closed face one (maybe an open faced with an optional face guard? (would that even be worth doing?)) would be cool... I would definitely buy a few of those. One of my biggest problems with GW figures is that their faces look retarded. A good, angry face like the Heresy Boris one would be cool, but then that wouldn't be very universal...

Anyways, I'd buy em. I'll fit a head into those helmets one way or another.

Robotorz · Post by **Robotorz** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 1:58 am

I think thats easy just remove some Hair, the ears and put the helmet on top...

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:01 am

JustGriff wrote:A company producing a sprue for GW bb models is breaking copy right. If they are using GW and its BB models as a point to sell there product.
Them advertising it for 'fantasy' models would past. So i DO think i have an idea about what people are taking about. Maybe the US has diffeent 'copy right laws' living in the UK i would not know.

An sprue made would not be for using GW or for BB models. It would be for Fantasy Football.

Case in point:
http://www.heresyminiatures.com/football.htm

This company IS based in the UK ... IN FACT he's an recent EX-GW house scupltor AND this figure was released just after the rules for Thrud became experimental for Blood Bowl. So you cannot get any closer than that to what you suggest would never be allowed .... ... and yet ... yes and yet ... not a single GW lawyer has stopped Heresy from marketing this figure.

Producing a Fantasy Football sprue from use in convert Reaper or Iron Wind Metal miniatures into Fantasy Football players isn't even remotely in danger of copyright infrigement ... GW has no right to stop sprues that allow Heartbreaker/RAFM/Heresy/'Reaper/Iron Wind/etc from being converted to Fantasy Football ... heck I doubt the name of GW would even be suggested in what you could convert.

I picture the add like this:

You've shopped around and seen some incredible fantasy figures at Heresy website right? Or maybe you've been browsing through the miniatures offered at New Wave and found one that would be perfect for use with modification for the Elfball board game but its got all those darn swords and would need a lot of green stuff to get the figure to work in Elfball. Well worry no more. Phigs Miniatures now produces sprues to convert your favorite Heresy or other fantasy based miniatures for use with the Elfball game. Stock up now and enjoy some unique games of Elfball today.

You tell me how you'd even try to argue infrigement with that ad even with UK copyright.

JustGriff wrote:Don't go making your self to comfortable

Galak
Currently: getting his vodka w/juice and kicking back in the recliner (ie getting comfortable)

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:28 am

You've shopped around and seen some incredible fantasy figures at Heresy website right? Or maybe you've been browsing through the miniatures offered at New Wave and found one that would be perfect for use with modification for the Elfball board game but its got all those darn swords and would need a lot of green stuff to get the figure to work in Elfball. Well worry no more. Phigs Miniatures now produces sprues to convert your favorite Heresy or other fantasy based miniatures for use with the Elfball game. Stock up now and enjoy some unique games of Elfball today.

Wow phil I think you should use that exact add on your site. Can't wait for these sprues, you got me all excited again Phil still waiting to get my grubby hands on those black widows.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon Nov 03, 2003 4:50 am

I want the female Orcs. Sloppy, saggy, female Orcs. Acres and acres of green flesh

Got a little carried away there. Sorry.

Female Orcs.

Talk Fantasy Football

what would you pay for sprues?

how much is too much?