Is this an offical model? Stormvermin with 2 heads

[Chris]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270969738340? ... 1438.l2649

[Magictobe]

No, this is a model converted by a spanish sculptor. He converted the storm vermin and had some casted.

[Brage97]

He also did a foul appearance thrower with tentacle, almost from scratch. A much better and far more interesting sculpt than the 3-4 slight conversions he did.
They all seem to tie in very well with the 3rd ed skaven for some reason

[Norse]

judging from the phenomenal collection of old 80s stuff he has for sale in addition to his cut'n'shut BB minis...

RECASTER!!

[Stout Youngblood]

I love the way he lists his figures. He calls them "Unreleased". What an @ss.

[Chris]

Well at least he is a good recaster...

I have to say I have no objections to people recasting models a company has no intention of making any more. Always annoys me when you can't get something to finish a squad, team, whatever and have to comb ebay and the like.

[Norse]

you probably also buy counterfeit stuff down your local street market as well then...

support the black market, there's a good fellow..

[fitch-face]

I think this is a pretty tricky situation. I agree that it can be really annoying when the model you want is no longer available except at ridiculous prices on eBay. I myself get the OOP blues all the time with Kislev figures. But at the same time, GW have the right to protect their intellectual property.

This stormvermin isn't OOP however, and it could easily be converted from the current BB stormvermin so GW could potentially be missing out on money. That said, people commission conversions all the time and even if he converted it from legitimate models he got on eBay and then sold it on, GW still get nothing. I know it's not about that, it's a matter of principal but it's still a valid point.

I guess I know objectively that it's wrong. But I can see how general dislike for Granny Wendy and the frustration of knowing you'll never get a particular model because it's OOP could drive someone to buying recasts.

[Brage97]

I don't know if this seller is a recaster. Looking at his previously sold stuff, he hasn't been very active over the last year. He has sold mostly normal stuff and quite a lot of it (ok, some OOP sold a year ago - maybe recast; we don't know).
Maybe has a batch now of recast stuff; I don't know.
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... ckAsSeller

I think the skaven conversions were made by a Spanish guy and we discussed it a month ago or so?

[SetzerGabbz]

The seller who has it up right now isn't a recaster. Yeah, the person he more than likely bought it from is a recaster.

[Chris]

you probably also buy counterfeit stuff down your local street market as well then...

support the black market, there's a good fellow..

If it is a conterfeit good not avalible otherwise - yes. For example when I live in Cambodia I can't buy all sorts of things, but I can get the chinese/malaysain copy. So I do. If my local market was selling oop gw models that I wanted of the same quality of the original, I would be getting them. I can guarenty I wouldn't buy them from GW - as they don't sell them.

[Norse]

there a significant legal and moral difference, IMHO, between buying originals via a 3rd party (because the original company no longer makes them) versus buying copies...

also, had the mysterious and elusive "spanish guy" converted a storm vermin and sold the original conversion I would be saying he was well within his rights.. given that he converted it, moulded it, cast it, and then tried to sell it as "unreleased official mini" I think that is pretty effing disgusting

[Stout Youngblood]

there a significant legal and moral difference, IMHO, between buying originals via a 3rd party (because the original company no longer makes them) versus buying copies...

also, had the mysterious and elusive "spanish guy" converted a storm vermin and sold the original conversion I would be saying he was well within his rights.. given that he converted it, moulded it, cast it, and then tried to sell it as "unreleased official mini" I think that is pretty effing disgusting

I agree with you whole-heartily.

Unfortunately, many today are of the mindset, "...but I want it..." to justify buying counterfeit yet don't want to cough up the money for an original. Look at all who buy knock-off purses; rolex look-alikes, share music; burn movies, etc.

[fitch-face]

given that he converted it, moulded it, cast it, and then tried to sell it as "unreleased official mini" I think that is pretty effing disgusting

Agreed. I didn't mean to justify the recasting in this case, there's absolutely no excuse when the model is still in production and widely available.

But if anyone started recasting Kislev/Mordheim Middenheimers, I'd be on the recasts faster than Sonic And if GW have a problem with me buying copies of their OOP miniatures, I will pay them in photocopies of shillings and farthings. Seems fair.

Unfortunately, many today are of the mindset, "...but I want it..." to justify buying counterfeit yet don't want to cough up the money for an original.

I see your point, and I agree with you that people all feel a bit entitled these days but I don't think that argument extends to OOP models. There's things like Wulfen models that go for £30 a piece on eBay. Madness.

This cartoon strip pretty much sums up my thoughts but with movies instead of OOP models... http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones


I realise I've gone off-topic a bit since this Stormvermin isn't OOP. Sorry!

[SetzerGabbz]

Unfortunately, many today are of the mindset, "...but I want it..." to justify buying counterfeit yet don't want to cough up the money for an original. Look at all who buy knock-off purses; rolex look-alikes, share music; burn movies, etc.

Very true, but the problem is he's passing them off as legitimate (such as the 6 or so Ressurection Gutter Runners I've seen him put up). So, the bidding on them still gets outrageous on something completely fake and someone pays $70 on something not even close to being worth that.