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Just stumbled upon:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/txar ... y-football



And earlier today I was actually contemplating to give Lizardmen a go in the near future. That surely must be an omen, right?

Pretty good looking lizards!

Interesting that Spain appears to be a hotbed of cool BB-related stuff. What's up with that, anyway?

The only warning flag is the Flexible Funding option - which means that even if the thing doesn't fully fund anyone who pledges still has to pay. Not a fan of that.

In this case I think that flexible funding will not be a problem, this project has a quite low objective (2000€) and in about 24 hours it has filled the 64% of it. But yes, I prefer fixed funding too

I actually wasn't aware of the flexible funding until Wirelizard mentioned it. Reading up on the Indiegogo terms, the Campaign Owner has to deliver the perks in case of flexible funding. Even if he doesn't reach the goal. Not sure though about the legal liability or how to enforce it, if the Campaign Owner doesn't follow up on it. Does anyone have any experience with that?

It probably boils down to trust. And since we are a relatively small community and they are calling upon a strong partner (RN estudio), I think it probably turns out for the best.

Well this campaign has reached it's goal already so shouldn't be a concern, but I don't see how they can supply the perks without reaching their funding goal.

Surely if a project like this doesn't fill their goal, the release of the team should take longer thsn expected due to the lack of money and the need of using projectors own money unless it gets some help from a third part company which contributes with some money

I don't touch flexible funding campaigns, even if they have reached the goal. Just a personal thing, and irrational, but if a campaign uses flexible I ignore it.

sphinx wrote:Surely if a project like this doesn't fill their goal, the release of the team should take longer thsn expected due to the lack of money and the need of using projectors own money unless it gets some help from a third part company which contributes with some money

Well, not necessarily. If they're using the crowdfunding to get production underway, this is likely, but I think a lot of campaigns are using it as a preorder tool. The minis may all be well on their way to production, and the Indigogo is just a way to get people to buy them.

The problem, of course, is that as a pledger, I have no way of knowing!

Darkson wrote:I don't touch flexible funding campaigns, even if they have reached the goal. Just a personal thing, and irrational, but if a campaign uses flexible I ignore it.

Hi Darkson, at indiegogo Flexible or Fixed funding is the same for funders,
because indiegogo gets the money in the moment that funders "buy" the pledges,
this is the main difference with Kickstarter.

For the companies Flexible funding is better because indiegogo give the money fast,
and they can start the production process quick


Apart of this:


Last 21 early birds avaiable, 13 different miniature team, with big guy at 69 euros with free shipping worldwide,
good price, and HD resin quality, 1 piece miniatures.

http://igg.me/at/Lizardmen/x/1804319

thx

vaki20 wrote:

Darkson wrote:I don't touch flexible funding campaigns, even if they have reached the goal. Just a personal thing, and irrational, but if a campaign uses flexible I ignore it.

Hi Darkson, at indiegogo Flexible or Fixed funding is the same for funders,
because indiegogo gets the money in the moment that funders "buy" the pledges,
this is the main difference with Kickstarter.

Sorry, vaki20, you are wrong. Fixed funding is >=100% or nothing. Flexible means any money is sent and kept, even if there is one single pledge that doesn't cover 1% of the target.

And that is why some people don't like flexible. With fixed (and KS), the backers assume the target is enough to produce the rewards. With flexible, they don't know if that's the case, and are left wondering if there is money coming from other sources, and then, also wonder why not use those sources directly. Too many doubts.

Others dislike IGG in general because, on top of the flexible issues, the money is taken and if there is failure (only possible with fixed campaigns), returned, but the backers don't own then money in the meanwhile, someone else does.

(Not entering into details of the fees and the real amount the campaigner will get, which vary.)

nice looking lizards!

vaki20 wrote:Hi Darkson, at indiegogo Flexible or Fixed funding is the same for funders,
because indiegogo gets the money in the moment that funders "buy" the pledges,
this is the main difference with Kickstarter.

For the companies Flexible funding is better because indiegogo give the money fast,
and they can start the production process quick

I don't know how fast Indiegogo turns over the money to the campaign owner but the information on this page (http://go.indiegogo.com/pricing-fees) does not indicate that Flexible and Fixed are the same for contributors. It's actually quite the opposite...

If you don't reach your goal with Flexible Funding, you (the creator) pay 9% fee of total funds to Indiegogo but get to keep the remaining funds.
Where as if you don't reach your goal with Fixed Funding, all contributors are refunded.

That's a huge difference for the contributors.

goldbaek wrote:

vaki20 wrote:Hi Darkson, at indiegogo Flexible or Fixed funding is the same for funders,
because indiegogo gets the money in the moment that funders "buy" the pledges,
this is the main difference with Kickstarter.

For the companies Flexible funding is better because indiegogo give the money fast,
and they can start the production process quick

I don't know how fast Indiegogo turns over the money to the campaign owner but the information on this page (http://go.indiegogo.com/pricing-fees) does not indicate that Flexible and Fixed are the same for contributors. It's actually quite the opposite...

If you don't reach your goal with Flexible Funding, you (the creator) pay 9% fee of total funds to Indiegogo but get to keep the remaining funds.
Where as if you don't reach your goal with Fixed Funding, all contributors are refunded.

That's a huge difference for the contributors.

I´m only talking about when you "support" at indiegogo,the just moment when you buy, indiegogo block your money automatically, the same way in Flexible or Fixed funding.

Refund or no refund, i don´t talking about this, but i know a lot of FIXED funding campaing ( funded ) that don´t refund the money and don´t ship nothing, and i know a lot of FLEXIBLE funding campaing that ship fast, and when can´t do refund ALL the money.

In conclusion the main thing is the Company or person that appear in the proyect, if that person or company is trustworthy, the proyect will be OK

It's not about when the money is taken - sometimes I'd prefer KS to take the money when I pledge, I just don't like the whole concept of Flexible Funding. With a fixed funding campaign (KS or Indiegogo) I know that if I back a project that doesn't reach it's target I'll get my money back. With Flexible I'm not sure. A fixed campaign that only funds 10% gives my money back, a flexible that does 10% gives that money to the creator, and I not sure if I'll ever see anything for it.

So regardless of how nice a set of figures are, if it's Flexible I'll pass.

Back to the team. They are good, but not my thing. I would prefer more skin detail and less weapons.