Wizard affecting TR?

[Old Man Draco]

so... a freeb. mage counts as +5 TR for one match, doesn't he?

c

No he doesn't . You don't change the TR during the match! As Ian has stated before, the only time you change TR would be at the end of the match when the rules state you have to.

Anyway, if you would add the +5 TR for hiring the mage, you would have to -5 TR for the gold you spent.

But as I said. I doesn't work that way. That would really become bookkeeping. Lets just keep it simple.

[campaigner]

so... a freeb. mage counts as +5 TR for one match, doesn't he?

c

No he doesn't . You don't change the TR during the match! As Ian has stated before, the only time you change TR would be at the end of the match when the rules state you have to.

Anyway, if you would add the +5 TR for hiring the mage, you would have to -5 TR for the gold you spent.

But as I said. I doesn't work that way. That would really become bookkeeping. Lets just keep it simple.

believe me, I would like to keep it simple, but all the answers here seem to have left me more confused then before

so, I have TR 100 for the match, and after the match calculate the TR anew... with the 50k gone. is that right?

[Old Man Draco]

so, I have TR 100 for the match, and after the match calculate the TR anew... with the 50k gone. is that right?

That is correct. You remove 50k at the start of the match when hiring your FBW (new abbrev.) Add your FBW. Play the game and at the end remove your FBW. (There is no refund for FBW's who turn out to be dudd's!)

Ten recalculate your TR

[DoubleSkulls]

so, I have TR 100 for the match, and after the match calculate the TR anew... with the 50k gone. is that right?

Yes.

[campaigner]

so, I have TR 100 for the match, and after the match calculate the TR anew... with the 50k gone. is that right?

Yes.

I'm so proud of my skills in dialectic and arithmetics!

[Toby]

The Freebooter wizards Take 50K from your Treasury and add 50K to your Total Cost of Team

No it doesn't. TR is only ever calculated at the end of a game. It never changes at any other time. Freebooting does not effect TR because the TR is fixed until the game ends.

Wrong.

After the match, you get money. That adds to treasury and increases the Team Rating that is calculated at the end of the match;

So the Wizard is the same as spending 50K which is the same as 5 Points of Team Rating.

So hiring a Wizard does not change the team rating for the upcoming match. (That was the original question i suppose).
But hiring a wizard costs 50k, thus reduces treasury and with it TR by 5 Points after the match.

If you have a look at the official team toster which is availiable from bloodbowl.com in the resources section, you will see that the freebooted wizard add 50k to the total cost of team.

This is necessary because else it could be assumed that the spent 50k reduce the teams rating by 5 points if one wasn't aware of the rule when team rating explicitly is calculated - which is unnedeed even if it exists.

btw the whole discussion is pointless no, the TR doesn't change thats all that matters.

[DoubleSkulls]

LRB 2.0 pp 42.

3. Post-Match Sequence
1. Work out each team’s winnings
2. Allocate MVPs and make Star Player rolls
3. Roll on the Fan Factor table
4. Hire new players and coaching staff
5. Work out new team rating

That's the only time TR changes.

[Toby]

Post-Match Sequence:
1. Work out each team’s winnings
2. Allocate MVPs and make Star Player rolls
3. Roll on the Fan Factor table
4. Hire new players and coaching staff
5. Work out new team rating

Look, thats irrelevant...
Because team Rating is affected by Money and Star Player Points only.

You calculate the Team Rating after the Match, and after Purchases are made.
Right.
Before the match, when you hire freebooters, starplayers and wizards they simply add their freebooting cost to the total cost of team. Which makes the team rating stay the same. Money goes from Treasury to Total cost of Team, and the Team Rating doesn't care where the money is located.

http://www.specialist-games.com/bloodbo ... Roster.xls

We are discussing the "emperors beard" btw, because we both agree on the answer to the original question. (No change of Team Rating for the upcoming Game).

[DoubleSkulls]

Look, thats irrelevant...

The rules are irrelevant

Toby - freebooting never has any immediate effect on TR because TR is only ever recalculated at the end of a game.

[Toby]

Look, I would really apreciate if you decided to read before you post.

Your point is that it is a rule that the Team Rating only changes after a match.

5. Work out new team rating

This line does not explicitly imply that this is the only time the Team Rating changes.

My Point is, and it is underlined by the official team roster sheet, that money spent on freebooters adds to the total cost of team and thus the team rating stays the same, so there is no need to recalculate it.

So my explanation is perfectly logical.
Yours is a shortcut, which is not bad because it really is quite stupid to recalculate the team rating when it's clear that the result will not change only the way it's calculated.

Nevertheless, Star Players, Freebooters, and Wizards appear on your Team's Roster sheet for the game and their freeboting cost is recorded.

Bottom Line - my way of explaining the question is perfectly right while yours relies on a Rule that does neither exist nor is it needed as I explained earlier.

[DoubleSkulls]

This line does not explicitly imply that this is the only time the Team Rating changes.

It explicitly states this is when TR changes. There is no implication because it is quite clear.

So my explanation is perfectly logical.

Logical, but incorrect.

]Bottom Line - my way of explaining the question is perfectly right while yours relies on a Rule that does neither exist nor is it needed as I explained earlier.

Your explanation is not right. It is wrong. My relies on the rules as they are written in the rulebook - I even gave you the page number.

Anyway