TD or not TD

[Zen]

Hi

This came up in a game last night.

The ball is lying in my opponents endzone, next to the person who dropped it in the previous turn. I move a player into the endzone next to the ball. I then try to pick up the ball with the first player, who fumbles it again. Turnover right? But the ball bounces into the arms of the other player. Is this a touchdown or does the player just stand in the endzone holding the ball, because my turn would have ended on the turnover?

Thanks.

[CplSaint]

Regardless of what happens when you attempt to pick up the ball, if it ends up in the hands of one of your players, it is NOT a turnover; so in your case, you scored!

A turnover only occurs when picking up the ball if it ends up;
a) On the floor after bouncing, bobbling etc. have been worked out.
b) In the hands of an opposition player.

Hope that clears it up.

[Zombie]

That answer was totally wrong (you should read the rules again CplSaint), but here's the real answer.

The turnover only takes effect after the ball has finished scattering. So yes, there will be a turnover, but only after the TD is recorded, at which time there would have been a turnover anyway (a TD causes a turnover too you know, you can't move anyone after it happens).

[McDeth]

Zombie is correct.

Although the situation resulted in a TD anyway.

Basically any attempt to pick up the ball ( Not a bouncing ball though )results in a turnover, your player who originally intended to pick up ythe ball failed so its a turnover.


In resolving the scatter luckily it landed on one of your other players who managed to pick up the bouncing ball. If he hadn't been in the End zone it would still have been a turnover, and he wouldn't have been able to carry on with his turn.

LRB States: If a player from the moving team fails to pick up the ball and fails then this is a turnover. When the ball scattered into the other player this was not an attempt to pick up the ball, but an attempt to catch a bouncing ball

[Marcus]

Back Zombie up on that one.

CplSaint is thinking of turnovers from failed passes. Any failed pickup is a turnover, regardless of final outcome.

In this case you have to fully resolve the scattering ball before you hand the turn over to the other team. At the point the you have a player standing in the opposition endzone holding the ball you declare the touchdown.

Marcus

[voyagers_uk]

safe to say that you were lucky to catch the bouncing ball or you would have had two players in the end zone waiting for that push into the populace.

Zombie is quite right though.

[Vesticle]

Also to clarify, a bouncing ball is a *catch* roll, not a pickup roll. I know I didn't get that when I first started playing.

Pickup refers only to when your player moves into the square where the ball is lying, and attempts to pick it up. Everything else is a catch roll.

[CplSaint]

My humble apologies - just goes to show that sounding confident doesn't make you right! Sorry again for any confusion, and I shall have to read the rules a little more carefully next time!

[Zen]

Thanks everybody!!

[Longshot]

What????
Are you all crazy?

ok, let me tell you the story:
Last turn, teams are battling hard on the field, this is one all....
The Human Thrower run to the end-zone to pick up this M..F..Ball.
The Rain is falling down, as he succed in going deep between Black Orcs.
He try to pick it up (fail), but he has sure hands and fail again...This is NOW the turnover, the ball scatter anyway, and fall into the Human receiver whom catch it up....But too late, the game has already ended!!!

So if it is not the last turn, you would Score during the opponent turn(and do what apply then).
But the TD dont occur in the turn which the player try to pick it up.
So if it is the last turn of a Half-time, you dont score!!!
That the way it is.

[voyagers_uk]

LS, I am sure the turnover i.e. the end of your turn doesn't happen until the ball stops moving i.e. the last action is resolved. If the ball stops moving in the possession of one of your players who happens to be standing in the endzone = TD, turnover.

I would like to hear Chet or JKL's opinion on this though.

[McDeth]

Have to agree with Voyagers the game is only over when the ball stops scattering. just because the failed catch results in a turnover, you still have to resolve the bouncing etc before the turn is handed over

[voyagers_uk]

to argue with myself though, this does feel like the old "dodge with the ball into the end zone that fails except TD success through Stand firm" plays of the past.

not sure I like it, but I am sure that it is correct.

[Longshot]

Missing a dodge with stand firm dont give you a turnover...

I would like Chet opinion too or somebody else.
For me, a TO occurs at the T Time it happens.

[Zombie]

No, officially, the turnover only occurs when the ball stops scattering (though it's sure to happen). It's always been that way.