Timing after failed Blood Lust roll

[Bakunin]

Here's the situation that occured in our league last night: A Vampire declares a hand-off, and rolls a '1' on his Blood Lust roll. No reroll left, so he has to take a Move Action instead.
Now he moves to where the ball lies, and fails his pick-up roll. It's a turnover for sure, and since he didn't suck any Thrall, he has to leave the pitch.

Question is: When ? Immediately after the pick-up roll failed, or do you still do the bounce and possible catch rolls (with the Vampire still on pitch) ? In our game, it made the difference between a successfull catch or another scatter, because the ball initially bounced into the hands of an opposing player. We couldn't find any specific answer in the rulebook.

You cant change a hand-off action to a move action! Only a block action can be changed to a move action...

[Darkson]

You do realise you're answering a 5 year old question that was asked during a different rule set?
At the time the question was asked, if you rolled a 1, you had to do a move action.

[petitgars]

The rules says "at the end of action", not before the Turnover.
Anyone else confirm that?

[daloonieshaman]

He bites after his declared action but must bite before releasing the ball on a throw or handoff also on a score

[Bakunin]

You do realise you're answering a 5 year old question that was asked during a different rule set?
At the time the question was asked, if you rolled a 1, you had to do a move action.

Shit

[Bakunin]

The rules says "at the end of action", not before the Turnover.
Anyone else confirm that?

fx if a Vamp fails its blood lust roll, and then fails its pick-up. There a Turnover, scatter the ball till it comes to rest. Then remove the Vamp.
- If a turnover happens, then a vamp dont get to bite...

Its the same thing with tentacules. If a vamp fails its blood lust and the fails a tentacule roll (a dodge or leap), then the vamps action ends and he cant not bite a thrall - and a turnover happens.

This is how I understand GalakStarscraper rulings here on TalkFantasy.

[petitgars]

Its the same thing with tentacules. If a vamp fails its blood lust and the fails a tentacule roll (a dodge or leap), then the vamps action ends and he cant not bite a thrall - and a turnover happens.

Not the same.
If a vamp fail blood lust and tentacule roll, but can bite, there is NOT a turnover (why?). For dodging, it is different: the vamp' can't bite.

In my case, the vamp is near a thrall, there is a TO before he bite. He can catch the ball AFTER the TO, so where can't he bite AFTER the TO? There is no indications on this specific case.

[Bakunin]

Its the same thing with tentacules. If a vamp fails its blood lust and the fails a tentacule roll (a dodge or leap), then the vamps action ends and he cant not bite a thrall - and a turnover happens.

Not the same.
If a vamp fail blood lust and tentacule roll, but can bite, there is NOT a turnover (why?). For dodging, it is different: the vamp' can't bite.

In my case, the vamp is near a thrall, there is a TO before he bite. He can catch the ball AFTER the TO, so where can't he bite AFTER the TO? There is no indications on this specific case.

Sorry I did't mean a vamp dodging, but a vamp getting hold on to by a player with tentacles.
And yes, if you fail a tentacule roll, then your action ends and a vamp could not bite a thrall

Here a long thread about gaze and tentacles where it is explained by Tom:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=31015&hilit=tentacles&start=60

"It should be noted as well ... I also believe that successful Tentacles would not allow a Vampire to bite a Thrall and thus force him to leave the pitch. The logic is exactly the same as the logic I just stated above for Hypnotic Gaze.

Galak"

[petitgars]

OK, i was wrong. Thanks.