Ball and Chain question

[duckwing]

fanatics already ignore foul appearance, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have them ignore fend as well -- we're talking about insane gobbos drugged to the gills and lugging balls and chains, after all

Where does it say that fanatics ignore foul appearance? This has come into question in games between me and a coach playing nurgle. Since it says that B&C follows the normal rules of blocking he means that FA applies, and I haven't had any arguments that says that it shouldn't apply except that it just feels wrong.

[Darkson]

Where does it say that fanatics ignore foul appearance? This has come into question in games between me and a coach playing nurgle.

Um - from the skill description?

If during his Move Action he would move into an occupied square then the player will throw a block following normal blocking rules against whoever is in that square, friend or foe (and it even ignores Foul Appearance!).

[duckwing]

Where does it say that fanatics ignore foul appearance? This has come into question in games between me and a coach playing nurgle.

Um - from the skill description?

If during his Move Action he would move into an occupied square then the player will throw a block following normal blocking rules against whoever is in that square, friend or foe (and it even ignores Foul Appearance!).

I'll go put a bucket over my head now

[khudzlin]

so, any official position on this?

[daloonieshaman]

yes it is official, Duckwing is totally shamed and will put a bucket on his head

[Digger Goreman]

So... almost a year later, it's come up in my league... and no definitive position on Ball and Chain vs Fend?!

[GalakStarscraper]

My opinion would be that Fend prevents a Ball & Chain from following up just like it does with Frenzy which is another must follow-up skill.

The Ball&Chain doesn't follow up and then just continues moving from its own square. Ball & Chain doesn't override Side Step or Stand Firm ... so there is no reason to believe it overrides another defensive skill like Fend.

Galak

[Digger Goreman]

My opinion would be that Fend prevents a Ball & Chain from following up just like it does with Frenzy which is another must follow-up skill.

The Ball&Chain doesn't follow up and then just continues moving from its own square. Ball & Chain doesn't override Side Step or Stand Firm ... so there is no reason to believe it overrides another defensive skill like Fend.

Galak

Thanks....

[Duke Jan]

fanatics already ignore foul appearance, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to have them ignore fend as well -- we're talking about insane gobbos drugged to the gills and lugging balls and chains, after all

I have also always seen them as more of a juggernaut, but the rules are pretty clear on this. And since you're not blitzing taking Juggernaut is pretty useless too.

[Wanchor]

I have also always seen them as more of a juggernaut, but the rules are pretty clear on this. And since you're not blitzing taking Juggernaut is pretty useless too.

Which is kinda lame. If more rules updates were possible, I'd lobby to make Juggernaut a viable skill for B&C players.

[daloonieshaman]

I have also always seen them as more of a juggernaut, but the rules are pretty clear on this. And since you're not blitzing taking Juggernaut is pretty useless too.

Which is kinda lame. If more rules updates were possible, I'd lobby to make Juggernaut a viable skill for B&C players.

but they don't blitz, are you suggesting changing the rules to Jug also?

[GalakStarscraper]

but they don't blitz, are you suggesting changing the rules to Jug also?

I think he was suggesting that since the B&C allows Grab to work that we should have said Grab and Juggernaut. My concern with allowing Juggernaut to work is that it gives B&C basically a Block like skill on a normal roll which was felt to be too good.

[Smeborg]

My opinion would be that Fend prevents a Ball & Chain from following up just like it does with Frenzy which is another must follow-up skill.

The Ball&Chain doesn't follow up and then just continues moving from its own square. Ball & Chain doesn't override Side Step or Stand Firm ... so there is no reason to believe it overrides another defensive skill like Fend.

Galak

Tom - I agree with you, and find your reasoning sound.

All the best.

[Duke Jan]

Edited post and original was here but not removed. Weird.

[Duke Jan]

but they don't blitz

I know. What never crossed my mind before is whether you can declare a blitz with a B&C player. I don't think you can, or not?