Interception or not?

[Grumbledook]

furry muff

can't say that it should really come up that often anyway, most coaches surely only do passes where no intercept is possible ;]

[slup]

furry muff

can't say that it should really come up that often anyway, most coaches surely only do passes where no intercept is possible ;]

You have to figure out how far you have to move before interceptions are impossible, do you need that extra GFI?

[Grumbledook]

Should have been working that out in the previous turns ;p

[gandresch]

Hi,

i play Slann currently and believe me, there will be chances to intercept

Ok, now that the rules are clear, i wonder, if there is a possibility to deal with the situation like with the range ruler itself for passes. There you have a kind of matrix, where you can easily see, if it is a short pass or quick or ... whatever.
For interceptions you need 3 variables to measure that and not only 2 like when measuring passes, but it would be nice to have such a "tool", that is somehow official.

Examples:

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_________B
A
_C

_________B
A
__C

_________B
A
___C

_________B
A
____C

...

Where is it an interception and where not. I can create a lot more of these situations (some are quite more difficult than those above) and now i wonder, if somebody already measured them all out.
I would believe, that there are situations, where nearly 50% of the coaches say "yes" and 50% say "no" to an interception.

Greetz,
gan

[daloonieshaman]

1) no C is not closer to the thrower (they are the same distance)
2) yes C's Square is touched by the range ruler and C is closer to the thrower
3) Yes C's square is touched by the range ruler and C is closer to the thrower)
4) C's square is not touched by the range ruler (granted he is closer to the thrower)

As per the CRaP rules, AND using a range ruler

I fully understand the Range ruler being wider that a square to allow some level of defensiveness as a ball whizzes pass the square you are next to. Granted getting to intercept BEFORE the bloke has a chance to drop it at his feet boggles me. Besides 50%+ will argue the other way if the range ruler was a red beat 40K players stick

[GalakStarscraper]

1) no C is not closer to the thrower (they are the same distance)
2) yes C's Square is touched by the range ruler and C is closer to the thrower
3) Yes C's square is touched by the range ruler and C is closer to the thrower)
4) C's square is not touched by the range ruler (granted he is closer to the thrower)

As per the CRaP rules, AND using a range ruler

If you actually measured from center of square to center of square as per the rules ... then for Case #1 ... C is closer to both A and B then they are to each other so he can intercept.

And in Case 4 ... if you lay it out on a board ... C's square is touched by the range ruler. So C can intercept in Case #4 as well.

Galak

[daloonieshaman]

Galak
#4 the square is not touched by a range ruler (Yes I did board it several times)
#1 C & A are = so no intecept
you are gonna see it how you see it and what ever I say cannot change your mind so we are the 50/50

[GalakStarscraper]

Galak
#4 the square is not touched by a range ruler (Yes I did board it several times)
#1 C & A are = so no intecept
you are gonna see it how you see it and what ever I say cannot change your mind so we are the 50/50

You could change my mind ... I'm not closed minded. But I'm struggling to understand why you are so sure you are correct.

Let me try again.

Case #1:

its really basic math.

If you say the distance is 1 for A to C and C to B than the distance from A to B is square root of 2 (or 1.4) (a squared + b squared = c squared)

But you don't need to know the math ... if you do what the rulebook says it should be clear. If you take a range ruler and measure from the center of A's square to B's square and mark it on your range ruler with a post it (if required) ... then do the same from A to C or B to C ... you'll see that A to B is longer. It has to ... here is the wikipedia reference if needed ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root_of_2 )

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Case #3: (note you agree with me on this one ... just posting it because I was doing pictures and thought it would be good to add to the discussion)
B is 13 squares to the right and 1 square up from A. C is one square down and one square to the right of A. In which case its clear the range ruler is crossing some part of C's square.



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Case #4:
B is 13 squares to the right and 1 square down from A. C is one square down and one square to the right of A. Look at the image and I think you'll see its clear the range ruler is crossing some part of C's square.



Tom

[daloonieshaman]

lol
you gave the example of #4 using the distances for #2
(ps in the digram given it is a 9 square differance not 13) but neither here nor there)
The angle for #4 puts it outside the range
#1 if you are gonna split Grunt hairs you should be playing 40K

[GalakStarscraper]

lol
you gave the example of #4 using the distances for #2
(ps in the digram given it is a 9 square differance not 13) but neither here nor there)
The angle for #4 puts it outside the range
#1 if you are gonna split grunt hairs you should be playing 40K

Okay cancel the whole discussion ... I thought you were discussing the first post in the thread. I did not realize that someone put up 4 new cases.

We were arguing two different sets. I'm still discussing the first set of 4 cases and you are referencing the post made later. In which case you might be correct on those 4 ... I'd need to look. Didn't realize some one threw out 4 new items (I thought he was quoting the original 4).

Tom

[daloonieshaman]

all's good I was going off 2 or so post ago, I did not even bother with the first one or 2 post

[gandresch]

Posted to the wrong thread.

[Darkson]

sorry, that my last post got closed. No I come to the main part of the question about interceptions.

No comment on your post, but your previous thread hasn't been closed at all.
Therefore, I've merged your topics together.

[gandresch]

lol

wanted to open a new thread, hehe

[daloonieshaman]

Simple answer
IF ANY part (red/black/clear whatever) of the Range Ruler touches ANY part of the square in Interceptor is in he can roll to intercept (granted he is a legal interceptor as per the rules.)

Someone may mention something about counting squares "Pass Matrix". The rule book clearly states Range Ruler when passing.
so any x,y,z,q math is not applied. IF you do not have a Range Ruler and decide to use the "Matrix" count every square next to the Matrix path as an intercept square (The path will be 3 squares wide by the number of squares long for the pass)

Then go on the for sale section of the site and request a Range Ruler.

A thrower B catcher ^ = intercept squares

^^^^
a^^^^ b
^^^^

c may intercept as the Range Ruler is fatter than one square