Nurgle's Rot and crowd push

[Smeborg]

I play the same interpretation as Thadrin, Galak and others.

However, I would add that Thadrin's question leads me to believe the skill description for Nurgle's Rot is ambiguous, because you can kill by agency. For example, I deliberately push someone into waters that I know to be infested with crocodiles. A common sense interpretation (or one by a court) might well be that I have killed that person even though it is the crocodiles that have done the final killing.

So the phrase "he kills" in the N Rot skill description can be applied in a meaningful sense to a death by crowd push.

All the best.

[GalakStarscraper]

Smeborg that it logic applied to the point of abuse.

We are talking about contracting a deadly disease. How does the alligator give the victim an infectious disease just because I pushed him.

The whole point of the skill which is clear is that if you are in such contact with the player so as to cause his death than the virus will have had time to pass on. Since you cannot pass the Rot when you roll Push on the block dice ... its pretty cheesy to argue the agency argument OR to even SUGGEST that it is unclear.

I am so glad I do not play in your league.

Galak

[Stout Youngblood]

I am so glad I do not play in your league.

Galak

I agree.

[Digger Goreman]

I am so glad I do not play in your league.

Galak

I agree.

Seconded! And why I've come to love the "ignore list"....

[GalakStarscraper]

Okay okay ... sorry this should not get personal and I admit I made the error of making it so.

Its just it does push my buttons when the comments quickly turn to how poorly the rulebook is done on issues where you are bending rules to the point of breaking to make the statement.

Galak

[Smeborg]

Galak - I think you miss my point, which has nothing to do with how I interpret this rule.

I play the same interpretation of the rule as you do, and will continue to do so. Indeed, I am not aware of a single rule at the moment where your and my interpretations differ. That's the beauty of LRB6, the BBRC and the net forums.

I simply took Thadrin's honest question as an opportunity to explore whether the wording of the rulebook as it currently stands would allow someone to interpret the rule differently.

There is an underlying purpose: to be able to suggest better wording when the rulebook is next updated.

All the best.

[GalakStarscraper]

Good enough.

It comes down to what did the player do. Since an action as simple as a Push result could result in a crowd kill and that that does not happen on the pitch ... it draws to the same conclusion that the crowd does the killing and as such the player did not in enough of a way to transfer his disease.

And on this point ... I do think the rulebook is clear enough. So okay I agree with your points on the other thread ... but definitely not here.

Galak

[funnyfingers]

Really can't be any more clear than it is in the rulebook. It is a good question, but definitely can't win if we had to go to the People's Rule Court:)

"A player pushed off the pitch, even if
Knocked Down, is beaten up only by the crowd and receives one
roll on the Injury Table (see Injuries, opposite). The crowd does
not have any injury modifying skills."


"This player has a horrible infectious disease which spreads when he kills
an opponent during a Block, Blitz or Foul Action."

[fela]

Sorry for necroing, but I only observed that rule in application today.

I tend to agree that deaths from crowd surf would have to be explicitely excluded (a moot point given this is supposedly the final rules version, true).

I'm with Smeborg there. The rule can (can as in doesn't HAVE to but it's possible) be interpreted that killing by proxy is still killing.
Also, what would the crowd in a Nurgle match consist off anyway? So the remoteness of the player isn't a complete counterargument.
He might also be close enough, because he likes to watch the results of his work.

So, rules clarification by Galak is fine by me, I'm just not sure everyone will find it here .