Tentacles and Dodge/Leap

[Alamar]

I think the answer is obvious but I've thought the same and been dead wrong before ....

I would agree with the majority that:

-- Player declares the INTENTION to Dodge / Leap away from a Tentacled player
-- Roll for Tentacles immediately [interrupt before anything else happens]
-- If the Player fails the Tentacles roll then that action is ended
-- If the Player succeeds in the Tentacles roll then they move their figure and roll for Dodge as normal


IMHO a great question would be if a Vamp gets held by Tentacles [on a move action] are they able to Hypnotic Gaze the Tentacle player?? ... Hypno Gaze goes off "at the end of the Move Action" ... Tentacles immediately ends the figure's [move] action. So the question is does the Hypno Gaze occur after the Move Action or as the last part of the Move Action.

I figure Hypno Gaze is the last part of a Move Action so the result should be obvious but it's easy to get these fine details wrong.

[alternat]

does the Hypno Gaze occur after the Move Action or as the last part of the Move Action.

the first.
imo, you can move the vamp in the tentacled player TZ, try to dodge, fail and then decide to hypnogaze him.

as every other skill, HG may be used after seeing the dice outcome, in this case of the dodge roll.

[plasmoid]

as every other skill, HG may be used after seeing the dice outcome, in this case of the dodge roll.

What?

Are you saying that you could try a dodge roll, fail it, and then gaze?

The ability to apply a skill after a roll only applies to skills affecting the roll.

I hope/guess I'm reading you wrong.

[slup]

I think alternat means that you may use hypnotic gaze after a failed tentacles roll, not a failed dodge roll, which i agree on.

A failed dodge roll is a turnover and you may not use hypnotic gaze then, since it is no longer your turn.
Funny thing is though that hypnotic gaze does not specify that you have to be standing, so if you could perform a move action that made you prone without a turnover you could still gaze. Luckily i can't think of any.

[alternat]

as every other skill, HG may be used after seeing the dice outcome, in this case of the dodge roll.

What?

Are you saying that you could try a dodge roll, fail it, and then gaze?

The ability to apply a skill after a roll only applies to skills affecting the roll.

I hope/guess I'm reading you wrong.

yes, i mean "tentacles roll".

imo, you cannot HG from the ground. the very moment you fail dhe roll and fall, you can do nothing else.
I fear that there are no movements that put you prone at the end. You can go prone with Wrestle (but you were not moving, but blitzing) or Diving Tackle (but it's not your turn, and you didn't move), I can remember nothing else.

[Alamar]

See I would have gotten it wrong

I thought Hypno Gaze was technically the last part of the "Move Action" for a Vampire. So if the Tentacles roll fails then your "Action" is over so you can NOT Gaze because it's part of the action.

Uggg ... The bad thing is I think my interpretation [wrong though it may be] seems right because if you immediately lose your action how can you make the dice roll for the Gaze???

[Wanchor]

If the player makes the Dodge roll before the tentacles roll, they've left the tents TZ, so tents can't be used.
You don't roll to see if you can Dodge, you roll to see if you have Dodged.

Technically, the player leaves the tackle zone before the coach even picks up the dice to roll a dodge. I understand that it may have been intended that Tentacles be used first, but I can't find anything specifically stating so.

*Steps into the mine field* But, if he attempts to dodge (declares his intention) then the tentacles player gets the chance to declare the skill's use....

So, in using Diving Tackle/Tackle, etc., you do so after the dice roll... (and somewhere it says that when both coaches wish to use a skill, the phasing coach does so first)....

Yeah, that's the reasoning employed by the 'Dodge first' camp.

Elven "coaches"... no doubt....

Actually, yeah, but it'd be to my advantage as a Nurgle coach anyway. I suppose the key statement is that the model doesn't move back, as plasmoid said, but stays in place.

As for Hypnotic Gaze, that Tentacles' description specifies 'immediately' probably means that Hypnotic Gaze is not an option. It does have to be performed during the Action and not after it, after all.