Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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Re: Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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Gremdel wrote:Another situation where it might come up: time's running out and you've got one guy left so you quickly declare "Block!" After taking a better look at it (with time expired),
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So unless you have house-ruled it, you can't use "overtime" to think through your last action.

The only thing we have house-ruled is that you must throw your second frenzy block, even if you have timed out.

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Re: Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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GalakStarscraper wrote:I'm really struggling with this one ... why would you ever want to declare a Block action on some that a Move Action without moving would accomplish?

Even with a Wild Animal it would make no actual difference at the end ... a Move Action with no movement would end a Hypno Gaze effect just fine and the dice roll for Wild Animal is meaningless if you are not doing anything.

IE ... I think its a Moot point.
One thing where it makes a difference is Wild Animal with Jump Up. Wild Animal roll on Movement is 4+, WA & Jump Up (AG+2) is 2+ 3+ = 5/9 (assuming AG2).

Of course, Jump Up on Wild Animals is rare and probably suboptimal. Still, there is a case...

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Re: Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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Nikolai II wrote:
Gremdel wrote:Another situation where it might come up: time's running out and you've got one guy left so you quickly declare "Block!" After taking a better look at it (with time expired),
Turnover:
5. The four-minute time limit for the turn runs out or

A coach that suffers a turnover is not allowed to take any further
Actions that turn, and any Action being taken ends immediately
even if it was only partially completed.


So unless you have house-ruled it, you can't use "overtime" to think through your last action.

The only thing we have house-ruled is that you must throw your second frenzy block, even if you have timed out.
Thought it was in the rules, but I was mistaken. I've always played that way in our RL league but don't see anything in the house rules either.

However, if you were playing with real rules sticklers, it could apply: I call a Block action thinking it's two dice but they point out the guard on a guy I missed and it's only one die. The rules lawyers says I'm stuck with the Block action and I just decide not to throw a risky block and instead just stand there. Of course, after the game I'd petition the commish to boot this guy from the league.

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Re: Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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GalakStarscraper wrote:I'm really struggling with this one ... why would you ever want to declare a Block action on some that a Move Action without moving would accomplish?

Even with a Wild Animal it would make no actual difference at the end ... a Move Action with no movement would end a Hypno Gaze effect just fine and the dice roll for Wild Animal is meaningless if you are not doing anything.

IE ... I think its a Moot point.
I think the Big Guy/Wild Animal case is the best example and thus, not moot IMO.

If you can declare a blitz without throwing the block at the end, I can't see why you couldn't declare a Block and not throw it to get your TZ (and maybe Guard) back.

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Re: Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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As Galak said, delaring a Move Action has the same effect, even if you fail the WA roll for the Move, so it makes no difference.

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GalakStarscraper wrote:I'm really struggling with this one ... why would you ever want to declare a Block action on some that a Move Action without moving would accomplish?

Even with a Wild Animal it would make no actual difference at the end ... a Move Action with no movement would end a Hypno Gaze effect just fine and the dice roll for Wild Animal is meaningless if you are not doing anything.

IE ... I think its a Moot point.
I DO have a situation, where it would be useful...

In the case of a dump-of...
If the "would be blocked" player has successfully thrown the ball. Maybe, if you are a 1D or 2D against blocker without block, you would find it interesting to not block and stay where you are.

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If you cause someone to Dump Off you have to throw the Block.

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Re: Can you declare a Block Action without having to block?

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Darkson wrote:If you cause someone to Dump Off you have to throw the Block.
agreed ... at the point the Dump Off is made you cannot take back the Block

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