BBRC Hot List - 2003

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 11:23 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:Now the one part of Zombie's explanation I disagree with is that if he moved out of contact with the Dump Off player that he could move and reblock that player or block someone else. Block declarations are limited to one per player turn unless the player has Frenzy. So I would rule if the player had moved away from the Dump Off player that the player could not block again.

Why? He called a blitz and hasn't made his block yet. He's still entitled to his one block somewhere in his blitz action.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 11:47 pm

Well guess we will have to disagree and wait for an official answer in october ;]

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun May 18, 2003 12:40 am

Zombie wrote: Why? He called a blitz and hasn't made his block yet. He's still entitled to his one block somewhere in his blitz action.

Yeah, but Dump Off would not have been triggered until he declared the block part of the blitz and I don't think he should be allowed to declare another block. The difference is that you think rolling the dice is all that counts and I believe that the block declaration is what counts.

Galak

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun May 18, 2003 12:49 am

and on the same note that why i think he should have to block that player and not use passblock to move away and not block him

Xtreme · Post by **Xtreme** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:27 am

I know there is nothing to back me up on this but what I would like the answer to be is:

That after declaring the block he could use his pass-block but not move away. So after his INT attempt then he would continue with the block.

After typing that it doesn't sound all that good anymore.

If the player didn't have pass-block would he get an INT attempt anyway?

Nevermind this I guess I am just talking out of my rear.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:48 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:
Zombie wrote: Why? He called a blitz and hasn't made his block yet. He's still entitled to his one block somewhere in his blitz action.
Yeah, but Dump Off would not have been triggered until he declared the block part of the blitz and I don't think he should be allowed to declare another block. The difference is that you think rolling the dice is all that counts and I believe that the block declaration is what counts.

Galak

Oh, i see. I could live with that.

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Sun May 18, 2003 3:53 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:Now the one part of Zombie's explanation I disagree with is that if he moved out of contact with the Dump Off player that he could move and reblock that player or block someone else. Block declarations are limited to one per player turn unless the player has Frenzy. So I would rule if the player had moved away from the Dump Off player that the player could not block again.
Galak

Galak's right. A player can only Dump Off when a Blitz has been declared against that player. So the Blitzing player must have declared that he will make the block against the player with Dump Off. I don't think he can then switch to another player, even if he has made a Pass Block move trying to intercept the ball or cover the receiver.

So I'd let him make the pass block movement but not permit the Blitz against any but the original player. Of course he might be out of range by then in which case the Blitz would fizzle as Galak suggested.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sun May 18, 2003 5:26 am

So between the 4 of us, we have 4 different versions so far. Definitely grounds for clarification!

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Sun May 18, 2003 6:25 am

Once a block in declared, you must attempt to complete it. For example, if you blitzed the ball carrier and he had dump off, after he throws the ball you can't then elect not to hit him.

Same goes here, you can't use the blitzing player to pass block. He's in the middle of a block.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:49 am

wow...some common sense. good work neo

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun May 18, 2003 2:16 pm

So i was right :p

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun May 18, 2003 2:21 pm

neoliminal wrote:Once a block in declared, you must attempt to complete it.

I can accept with that rule ... but this one definitely needs on the official clarification list as I would never had gotten that from the rulebook ... thanks Neo.

Galak

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Sun May 18, 2003 4:00 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:
neoliminal wrote:Once a block in declared, you must attempt to complete it.
I can accept with that rule ... but this one definitely needs on the official clarification list as I would never had gotten that from the rulebook ... thanks Neo.

Galak

I assume you put it on the list. Unfortunately I'm not at home right now and don't have access to my personal list of things to look over. Thanks Tom.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sun May 18, 2003 4:39 pm

neoliminal wrote:Once a block in declared, you must attempt to complete it. For example, if you blitzed the ball carrier and he had dump off, after he throws the ball you can't then elect not to hit him.

Same goes here, you can't use the blitzing player to pass block. He's in the middle of a block.

That's a nice clarification that feels right. Where would the rule go? Under Dump Off, Pass Block, Blocking in general?

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun May 18, 2003 5:16 pm

ianwilliams wrote:
neoliminal wrote:Once a block in declared, you must attempt to complete it. For example, if you blitzed the ball carrier and he had dump off, after he throws the ball you can't then elect not to hit him.

Same goes here, you can't use the blitzing player to pass block. He's in the middle of a block.
That's a nice clarification that feels right. Where would the rule go? Under Dump Off, Pass Block, Blocking in general?

Page 8 ... Player Actions. Neo I'll put it on the Hot List under the Cleaning up the LRB text section.

However Neo ... the player trying to block can try to intercept the Dump Off if it doesn't require movement correct? Its just that if he was successful then he'd be blocking while holding the ball right?

Galak