BBRC Hot List - 2003

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Post by GalakStarscraper »

narkotic wrote:I just browsed the revamped hot list, but I remember that at an earlier draft the question about the usefulness of the jump up trait was asked. Has it been removed? Why? Jump up still seems to be quite weak for a trait (what about standing jump up players up at the end of your opponents turns). The same question is valid for the "weak" mutations like two heads and extra arms. They seem to have been removed from the list as well...
Jump Up was removed. The suggested change would have been over the top for the skill on the too good side. This was not my call, but the opinion by most of the TBB folks when the suggested change was discussed.

As for the "weak" mutation ... look again .. they are definitely there in the list.

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Post by narkotic »

You're right the mutations are in. My fault.

I don't remember the proposed suggestions for a revised jump up but I think you could have just removed the "over the top solution" leaving the call for a revision of jump up on the list. We both know that it has been made a trait to fix jump up/piling on abuses. Everyone will accept that nerfing jump up bc of piling on's destructivity was the wrong way at the beginning. With piling on being propably changed, reverting JU back being a skill should be an option again (or make it rulewise worth a double).

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Post by Grumbledook »

a team with a lot of jump up is very good

i think its fine as it is, its a skill you have to comit your team to like foul appearence

even playing norse early on when they have a couple of guard linemen and the jump up blitzers its very effective

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The difference is that at teams with access to mutations, all players can get FA whereas Jump up can only be picked by those with AG access (much rarer, less control in buillding your team with JU). Furthermore it's a skill primarily taken by bashers or bashers having it from the beginning (Witch Elfs, Norse blitzers) bc for a real catcher-type it gives no real advantage: Beginning prone, standing up and be able to block is much better for a basher type than beginning prone, standing up, but not able to catch a ball and move for a catcher type. And this is oddly enough an AG trait, not GE or STR that gives more benefits to strength players than finesse players. IMO it's a flaw in game design...

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Post by Grumbledook »

not really

elf teams can load up on it big time and its really useful, keeps their speed to the team and lets them block when they would normally blitz

its just that most people take guard on their doubles instead but i am in the middle of trying this idea out on a high elf team

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You have to agree that it was made a trait not bc it was felt to be overpowered but bc due to the piling on combination. For a trait it's too weak, sidestep and guard are much better in comparison.

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well accurate is better than strong arm so while i agree with you i don't think that the traits are made traits cause they are overpowered

they were made traits more in line with stopping the players who they were overpowered on getting them

none of the skills are going to be picked equally, i mean block is taken loads compared to pretty much everything

must say jump up is taken a fair bit in fumbbl by the elven teams so it can't be that bad ;]

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How about making seperate kickoff and handicap charts for tournaments and leagues.

Several people here on tbb have stated that riot for instance is a major bummer in a tournamen where u paid money to play bb, not sit and wait for the next round. There are prolly a few other rolls on the 2 charts that mite be modified.

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Post by GalakStarscraper »

By request of the BBRC, I have completely revamped the Hot List. I think virtually all the old content from the original is in there. If you find something I missed let me know. Sorry about Jump Up Narkotic, but its been removed on purpose.

http://www.midgardbb.com/BBRC_HotList2003.html

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Post by Darkson »

Nice one, Galak. Just on mistake I noticed. OFAB is listed as having 4 problems, but the wording says it only fixes 3, though it does all 4. Don't want the BBRC scratching their heads trying to find the missing one.

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Typo?
Should you be forced to GFI for the 2nd block of a Blitz?
Presumably when you have frenzy?

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Post by GalakStarscraper »

ianwilliams wrote:Typo?
Should you be forced to GFI for the 2nd block of a Blitz?
Presumably when you have frenzy?
Yes thank you Ian and Darkson ... those are typos ... I'll get them fixed.

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Post by Mike_Black »

BBRC_HotList2003 wrote:"A team scores a touchdown when one of their players is standing in the opposing team’s End Zone while holding the football at the end of any player's action."
That could lead to ...
My turn. I push the opponent ball carrier in my endzone. My action ends. He scores.
He scores. He is the kicking team. He sets up. I set up. He kicks. I start my offensive drive (My turn).
Hhm... should my opponent be allowed to do something between my two turns?
Otherwise I finish the half one turn earlier than he does.

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Post by Grumbledook »

it says in the rulebook (and has done for over a decade) about scoring during your opponents turn

you can push people into the endzone now that rule won't make anything new

if they do score in the other teams turn then they spend their whole turn celebrating so move their turnmarker along one to keep the turns in sync

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Post by HotsalZa »

Great List there! :)

But why should be the Ogre removed from certain teams?
I dont think Orks or Dwarfes are overpowered because of Ogres.

If there was already a discussion about it please give me the link to that theme.

I have just seen the the tripple B league rules on the BB site,
how certain is it that any of this rule changes are going to make it to the next LRB ?

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