Just how good is Stab?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:34 pm

ok, had my next game, which was against Norse on wednesday, so another av7 team

I managed to get to attempt 3 stabs during this game, failed them all again

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:04 am

And that's why I dislike stab

the odds of three stabs against AV 7 players doing nothing? 20%. Way too high of odds (considering this is the best possible opponent!

Still, no turnovers, so the waste isn't catastrophic!

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:18 am

Won yet another game with my Hobgoblins, this time against Lizzies, thanks to Rashnak.

He was far from spectacular (probably below average), but in the first 4 turns of the game (my receive) he made 4 stabs. 2 failed, but the other 2 KOd 2 Skinks. This "frontloading" of the successful stabs was enough to win me the game, as it allowed me to win the drive, and gave me a small, but steadily increasing numbers advantage for the rest of the game.

Bearing in mind that I had no Block, no Tackle and no Dirty Player, Rashnak was by far the easiest way to remove players. He was a bit lucky to survive well into the game, but otherwise I would say that he was nothing special. His Dodge was handy at times.

I took Rashnak in preference to a Wizard, as I didn't see the Wizard working that well against such a fast team. It is quite rare for me not to take the Wizard when I can.

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:40 am

Lizardmen are the best people to use stab against. Chainsaws also. The risk vs. reward is better (dodge makes the odds of a knockdown lower, STR 2 makes the hit back less likely to come.)

Closely followed by gutter runners, any developed elf team, and Amazons.

The Star players are a good investment for stab, kudos for seeing your way into the better use of inducement cash! I still don;t think the rostered assassin is a good investment though.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:26 pm

OK next game vs Pro Elves

9 stabs 5 fail 4 worked inc 2 casualties

that is more like it

think it becomes more useful the more players you get of the other team off the pitch and you can then box opponents in against the assassin to get more use out of it

until he gets sidestep/jumpup

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:01 pm

I think you just have to use it a lot to give it a chance to work, and trust that it will.

I was alerted to this by a coach (not very experienced) who had something like 29 successful stabs (armour penetrations) from a single Assassin in 5 games. The other Assassin had some successes, too. It is rather unlikely that these stats were achieved by playing "normal" BB.

A characteristic of the Dark Elf team is that it does not have natural "Catchers" - there is some encouragement to spread the TD SPPs around a bit - including to the Assassins.

Cheers

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:05 am

Just to add a contrary view to my own (!).

I played my first tournament games against Stabbers (EucBowl in Sydney). I was playing Nurgle.

The first game was against a Slann team with Hemlock. He went into battle rather unsupported, so I threw as many 3-dice blocks against him as possible. As soon as he went down, I fouled him, and was fortunate to get a CAS. End of Hemlock.

In another game against a lone Dark Elf Assassin, I used a lone (unskilled) Rotter to block the Assassin, following up pushes (one or two) until I got a knockdown and a foutunate CAS.

However, I don't feel that either Stabber was a great roster choice in a tournament, and both could have been supported better. Also, if taking Assassins (I don't think I would in a tournament), I suggest you need to go the whole hog and take 2.

Hope this helps.

Catt · Post by **Catt** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:36 pm

The assassin my Dark Elf team has been highly effective.

But you have to be careful because stabbing players tend to get targeted heavily by vengeful opponents!

The best thing about them is you get a chance to get a casualty without risking a turnover.

When I kick off I find placing my assassin behind the line of scrimage makes people hesitate before following up any blocks against my frontline. Kind of like a poor man's fend.

Old Buzzard Bilbo · Post by **Old Buzzard Bilbo** » Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:47 pm

I have just run a Dk Elf team for 2 seasons. (24 games.)
I needed 2 assassins in that time. The 1st died with a limp

They get beaten up regularly if you put them where they do most damage. So both ended up MV5

Only ever got 1 skill & I unimaginatively took block.

They regularly stabbed trolls, Kroxogor and Ogres.
A skaven team to stab would have been a treat

The most satisfying blitz is when he dodges into an Orc cage (5+) stabs the ball carrying goblin and allows his oppos to make off with the ball.

Bill.

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