Pick up a ball

[daloonieshaman]

May I point out that in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=31543&hilit=between+turn

Tom pointed out that there is such a thing as in between turns...

point

oh and don't forget inducement cards

After your turn has ended but before your opponent's turn begins .....

[alternat]

you guys are in the wrong tree.
the event is not a TD as it is the bottom of the 8th/16th turn and the turn for the offense was over.
now
If it had been say turn 6 then it would have been a TD in your opponents turn 7

wrong, it would be in MY turn 7 (or 6, depending who moved first).
I don't score in next oponent's turn, i score in THIS opponent's turn, which is the 8th

oh and don't forget inducement cards

After your turn has ended but before your opponent's turn begins .....

my oponent's turn ends when the turnover procedure is over or when he declares it is ended.
my turn begins when I move my turn marker.
cards like that must be played before moving the marker. easy.

[Greyhound]

May I ask about this more complicated case:

It's my turn 4 (the opponent has already played his turn 4), I pick-up/fumble the ball close to my TD line, after several bounces the ball end up in his player's hands, in the TD zone.

Turnover.

BUT I decide to use my wizard to zap him. Does the wizard event happens before or after he scores?

My understanding is that he would score before I can use my wizard.
Since the wizard is used between turns, it is therefore a sensible conclusion to say that my opponent scores in my turn, or at the very least conclude that he score before the "in between state" of the turns.

Now fast forward to turn 8 (his turn 8 already played) and put the same situation.
Since he picks up the ball in my turn 8, he should still be able to score in my turn (in the clean-up part at the end of my turn)

[daloonieshaman]

bottom of the 4th you would normally score in the top of the 5th and use your 5th (bottom of the 5th) celebrating but ...
The wiz zaps you and takes you out.
result: no TD for the guy that got zapped who was holding the ball int he endzone

[Greyhound]

bottom of the 4th you would normally score in the top of the 5th and use your 5th (bottom of the 5th) celebrating but ...
The wiz zaps you and takes you out.
result: no TD for the guy that got zapped who was holding the ball int he endzone

if he's zapped during the celebration then he has scored... thanks for confirming my assumption.

[Grumbledook]

you can use the wizard at the start of your own turn or right at the end of your own, even after a turnover

in this case the ball get caught by an opponent and he is standing with the ball in your turn, it is a TD, allowing the use of the wizard here would be ******* (imo)

if you did allow the wizard, then lightening bolt can't be used, the players have all left the pitch cause the TD was scored, so you can only use a fireball and cast it on a target square where again it will hit no one cause the players have left the pitch

After a touchdown has been scored... ...play is restarted and the match continues.

that there backs up what i'm saying

glad loonie shaman isn't in any league I've played in, he goes against the grain with so many things ;]

I refer back to the second post in the thread, fwiw I've never been that happy with the wording on wizard useage

[daloonieshaman]

nope read again
guy gets ball but no TD until top of the 5th (then celebrate through the bottom of the 5th)
but .... between the bottom of the 4th and top of the 5th the Wiz zaps him and takes him out
no TD

[Greyhound]

what are these bottom and tops you talk about?

[daloonieshaman]

you must no know baseball
Player 1 top (goes first)
Player 2 bottom (goes second)

(top) Player 1 finished turn 4
(bottom) Player 2 ends his turn 4 by some F^&*up and a guy standing in his endzone ends up with the ball (no TD yet)

(top) Player 1's turn 5 begins but low and behold there is a player 2 dude in the EZ with the ball. TD player 2
(bottom) Player 2's turn 5 move the turn marker as they are celebrating the TD

BUT ....

After Player 2's turn 4 (bottom of the 4th) but before Player 1's turn 5 (top of the 5th) a wiz comes out and fries him taking him out of service
because he was not Standing and Holding the ball and in the EZ at the start of Player 1's turn 5 (top of the 5th) there is no TD

[Greyhound]

no I don't know baseball and that seems awfully complicated (for BB).

The rules say you score in your opponent's turn:
SCORING IN THE OPPONENT'S TURN
In some rare cases a team will score a touchdown in the
opponent's turn. For example, a player holding the ball could be
pushed into the End Zone by a block. If one of your players is
holding the ball in the opposing team's End Zone at any point
during your opponent's turn then your team scores a touchdown
immediately, but must move their Turn marker one space along
the Turn track to represent the extra time the players spend
celebrating this unusual method of scoring!

So it's fairly clear that you don't score in your turn, in between turn, or bottom of whatever. You score in turn 8 of your opponent. Even if you had played your turn 8. Note that the fact that you push your turn marker as you rightfully pointed is spent celebrating not scoring...since it was done in the previous turn. So you score THEN celebrate.

Your bottom/top interpretation is your personal take on the system based on experience of a sport which is not common place in many countries.

[daloonieshaman]

you are slightly confused

player 1 goes first in the start of the thread he had completed his turn 8
player 2 goes second and in his final turn of the game (turn 8, second half ... referred to as turn 16 by some)
crap happens turn ends and ball ends up in players hands in the endzone.
Because Player 1 has finished his turn 8 and there is no turn 9 the ballholder cannot score in his opponent's turn

now to confuse you ...

lets say (FOR EXAMPLE) it was turn 7
Player 1 does his turn 7
player 2 ends his turn 7 with a turnover by dropping the ball. (Ending up in one of his player's hands, the player happens to be in the EZ.) (no TD)

Player 1 starts his turn 8, but his turn is interrupted by player 2's dude holding the ball in the EZ. End of player 1's turn 8 by TD for player 2
Player 2 turn 8 is consumed by the celebration.

[Greyhound]

player 1 goes first in the start of the thread he had completed his turn 8
player 2 goes second and in his final turn of the game (turn 8, second half ... referred to as turn 16 by some)
crap happens turn ends and ball ends up in players hands in the endzone.
Because Player 1 has finished his turn 8 and there is no turn 9 the ballholder cannot score in his opponent's turn

Says who? I don't see the rule stating that you are not allowed to score in your opponent's turn 8.

player2 fumbled the ball and at the end of his turn the ball is in possession of player 1 and is a touchdown. Player 1 does not score in his hypothetical turn9, he scores in player2 turn8.

i quote again your new rule:

Because Player 1 has finished his turn 8 and there is no turn 9 the ballholder cannot score in his opponent's turn

Please help me understand where this rule comes from. Why would player 1 require a turn 9 and why can't he score in player 2's turn 8 as written in the rule.

From what I read you score in your opponent's turn.

[daloonieshaman]

again lets clear up your confusion

Player 1 = Dave (who goes first)
Player 2 = Bob (who goes second)

Example given refers to end of game turn 8

Dave completes his final turn of the game (turn 8 or commonly referred to as turn 16)
Bob starts his turn 8 (final turn of the game for him also) during the course of the game he has
1 guy in endzone
Ball on ground near EZ guy
Moving Handoff guy (to hand off to EZ guy)
Handoff guy flubs the pickup. Turn ends at that point. GAME OVER

Same thing different turn
Dave finishes his turn 3
Bob starts his turn 3
Sets EZ guy up
Handoff guy flubs the pickup end of turn
Ball bounces to EZ guy

Dave's turn 4
Bob's EZ guy scores
Bob's turn 4 spent celebrating

Now throw the WIZ in the loop
Bob finishes turn 3 (EZ guy is in ez with the ball)
Wiz zaps him he falls down (stun,ko, inj doesn't matter) ball bounces
Dave's turn 4 starts
The Wiz prevented Bob's TD with EZ guy (Which would have happened at the start of Dave's turn 4 had it not been for the Wiz)

[Darkson]

Don't argue with Daloonie, as he's incorrect (again).

If your opponent (coach A) fails a Pick Up, and the ball scatters to your player (you are coach B) in the EZ who catches it, that player scores in your opponents turn as:
a) coach A turn is not over until the ball comes to rest (Turnover rule)
b) "If one of your players is holding the ball in the opposing team's End Zone at any point during your opponent's turn then your team scores a touchdown"

The Wizard is used after a Turnover, but as 'Dook has already shown, after a TD is scored the players leave the pitch, so the Wizard has no one to cast the spell at.


And if it's coach A's player standing in the EZ who fails the Pick Up, which then scatters to his own player in the EZ, then he scores in that turn as "one of their players is standing in the opposing team’s End Zone while holding the ball at the end of any of your players' Actions" - the players Action is not ended until the ball stops scattering.

[Ulthuan_Express]

Perhaps, in order to avoid any confusion, the word 'immediately' should be taken out of the Picking Up the Ball rules, with something less open to interpretation, such as 'ends your turn imm... er we mean Rules As Intended - like probably after the ball comes to rest, y'know?'