SPP for completions, point of contentio

[Stad]

Yeah, the same way that in football, if it touches the ground, the play stops, while in blood bowl, it continues as long as someone from your team has it when it comes to rest. Logically, this and the SPP rule go hand in hand.

Ok, I can accept the bouncing ball, but the SPP for just throwing a ball regardless of it ending up in a player seems bad idea.

So does that mean if I throw a pass that is inaccurate, but it lands in my player's hands, do I get a spp?

Also, if a thrower rolls a 1 and it bounces back to him (due to adjacent hexs) is that a turnover? does he get a SPP for catching that pass?

[Snew]

Ok, I can accept the bouncing ball, but the SPP for just throwing a ball regardless of it ending up in a player seems bad idea.

It is a bad idea. That's why the rule for getting an SPP is that the throw has to be accurate and it has to be caught by someone from the throwing team.

So does that mean if I throw a pass that is inaccurate, but it lands in my player's hands, do I get a spp?

No SPP for that. The pass has to be accurate. See above.

Also, if a thrower rolls a 1 and it bounces back to him (due to adjacent hexs) is that a turnover? does he get a SPP for catching that pass?

It was still a fumble and is a turnover. It could fumble into a square occupied by one of your players and never even bounce and it's still a fumble and a turnover. No, he wouldn't get an SPP because it wasn't an accurate pass. Heck, it wasn't even a pass.

[Gobstopper]

The LRB2 is very clear on what a Completion is. A player who makes an ACCURATE PASS....The key word here is accurate. If the Passer fails to throw an accurate pass and either fumbles or the pass scatters then regardless of who winds up with the ball in the end the passer will NOT get a SPP.

He did not throw an accurate pass.

And yes he is reliant on someone on his team catching his accurate pass in order to gain the SPP as well.

The rules are pretty clear on this.

[Dark Lord (retired)]

My league is very relaxed on this. We don't even say it has to be an accurate pass! (How does the crowd know anyway?) Besides, it's only one damn point.

[duff]

An accurate pass to an empty square which still ends up being caught by one of your own team (on the bounce). Aside from a sign of despertation (trying an "overrange" long bomb! does this earn an SPP?

[Snew]

An accurate pass to an empty square which still ends up being caught by one of your own team (on the bounce). Aside from a sign of despertation (trying an "overrange" long bomb! does this earn an SPP?

Yes. It's both accurate and it's caught by a member of the passing team. That's all it takes.

I'm actually with DL on this. It's only one point. As long as the pass is caught by someone on the throwing team, I'm alright with awarding the SPP. To be fair, though, I'm nuts! I'm also in favor of anyone on the opposing team ending up with the ball getting SPPs for an interception. I don't care if it was a bad boounce or an actual interception roll (picked off). It was a turnover and the opposing team now has the ball in their possession. That's an interception to me.

[gken1]

hmm... I actually see this can be read both ways.

I personally think that the pass is no longer accurate once dropped--it's a bouncing ball now.
I personally think that it should be like the NFL....if a pass is thrown and caught by teammate...completion. caught by opposing player INT.
it makes it simple...on the rare chances when an inaccurate pass is caught who cares give the guy 1 spp.
It keeps the rule simple and easy....

[Alesdair]

Sorry to all who object to old threads being brought back up...

It occured to me that a way of clearing through this with a writing that would be un-misinterperatable would be.

"COMPLETIONS (COMP): A player who makes an accurate pass that does not result in a turnover earns 1 Star Player Point. An accurate pass is called a 'completion' or complete pass. Note that the ball must be caught by a player from the same team to avoid turnover, otherwise it is not complete!"

This means exactly what the original does, but is now un-arguable.

[cleminho]

An accurate pass to an empty square which still ends up being caught by one of your own team (on the bounce). Aside from a sign of despertation (trying an "overrange" long bomb! does this earn an SPP?

A pass to an empty square is no longer an accurate one: Thus, no SPP.
It is kinda like HMP, the pass is inaccurate.

[Munkey]

An accurate pass to an empty square which still ends up being caught by one of your own team (on the bounce). Aside from a sign of despertation (trying an "overrange" long bomb! does this earn an SPP?

A pass to an empty square is no longer an accurate one: Thus, no SPP.
It is kinda like HMP, the pass is inaccurate.

It's accurate if you roll accurate on the table, just unlilkely that if you need to do this it will bounce into the hands of one of your players.

I like Alesdair's wording to this, seems to clear up most of the problems as far as I can see although I think we could probably drop the bits about the turnover.

That said I actually like Gken1's suggestion it's easy to understand from a 'reality' viewpoint, once the ball hits the ground it's incomplete and any extra completions from inaccurate passes will add so few points to the league as to not make any difference.

Not so sure about the int bit but in all likelihood this will also be rare enough to not make any odds. Bigger problem is the wording of this to not cause confusion.

IMO I think either of these changes would clear up what, from the number of posts, is an ambiguous area of the rules at least for those who've not heard it all before.

On the other hand the chances of anything being done means it's all a case of tilting at windmills.

[cleminho]

Ok, so you can throw the ball to an empty square. Now:

-does it mean TO? (even if the ball is caught by one of your players after bouncing?)
-if you accurate the pass to an empty square, does it bounce once or scatter three times like an inaccurate pass (because it is to an empty square)?

We played in my league that any player could throw the ball to an empty square if he really wanted to, but that meant TO even if you catch the ball but I ask that because may be we were wrong.

Anyway, I do not see that happening because I guess when you do that it is because you do not have any player in position to receive and not being in danger and it is at the end of the game and you do not want to let your opponent blitz you and score so you would also avoid to throw the ball to an empty square near the crowd and hope it would bounce out of bounds and, hopefully, be able to catch it because it is too dangerous it would end up in your opponent's hands. So, I do not see that happening but I'd like to know how to deal with it.

[DoubleSkulls]

-does it mean TO? (even if the ball is caught by one of your players after bouncing?)

Passes are only turnovers if they are fumbled or result in a loss of possession. So if one of your players catches it anyway then it is not a turnover.

-if you accurate the pass to an empty square, does it bounce once or scatter three times like an inaccurate pass (because it is to an empty square)?

It just bounces.

[Dave]

don't mention that the pass has to be accurate for a SPP. If I throw an in accurate pass that is caught by one of my own players I should still get a SPP though the pass was not accurate.

[cleminho]

don't mention that the pass has to be accurate for a SPP. If I throw an in accurate pass that is caught by one of my own players I should still get a SPP though the pass was not accurate.

That should be great and has already been discussed I think. But, the official rules are pretty clear: you get 1 SPP if the pass is accurate and caught by one of your players. Since the SPP is rewarded to the thrower I do not see why he would be granted SPP if his pass was inaccurate.

If you really want to give SPP when inaccurate pass and thus house rule it, I suggest you reward 1 SPP to the catcher who has been able to catch an even more difficult pass since inaccurate.

[Kheldar]

Don't know exactly how its ruled in our leage, never throw passes with chaos, but at fumbbl you'll get the SPP only if the RECIEVER catches an acurate pass. If the ball bounces and anotherone gets it, no SPP will be given.