MVP and Raise Dead

cidervampire · Post by **cidervampire** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:46 pm

We all know that if a player in your team dies during a match he is still eligble for the MVP but what happens if the player who gets your MVP is not only dead but has been raised by an opposing Undead team. Does the MVP still go to the dead person even though he is now on another team? As the player is on the Undead team, does that mean he could possibly get the MVP for his new team as well and end up with 2 MVP awards from one game?

mepmuff · Post by **mepmuff** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 2:05 pm

We had this situation once in a league. We house-ruled it as follows:

When a player dies and is raised for the opposition, he is still eligable for a MVP-award as a member of his former team. However, he will not be allowed to take that MVP with him to his next life, just as the rest of his knowledge and skills.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:13 pm

Well, I see it differently:

If a player is killed by an Undead team and not ressurectec by an Apo, he is immedeately placed in the reserves box of the Undead team and that means he is removed from his old team's roster and added to the Undead team's roster instead.
The MVP is granted in step 2 of the post-match sequence (Step 1 being collecting the winnings LRB p. 42).

To me it's quite clear that the new Zombie player is treated like a normal member of the Undead team, = there is only one MVP for the Undead team and if the new Zombie gets it, it has no consequence for his former team.

Provoker · Post by **Provoker** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:09 pm

Agreed, narkotic.....

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:24 pm

I'm confused here, as I think Narkotic was dis-agreeing with mepmuff while actually saying the same thing.

Anyway, to my mind, the player is as entitled to the MVP as the player that was killed by the rock on the opening imo. But that MVP has no bearing on his SPP's on the Undead side.

So yes, he could be awarded both MVP's, but only the one he got on the undead side would cound towards SPP etc.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:38 pm

No, I don't think that the new zombie is entitled the MVP of his former team (as mepmuff said). The fact that they houseruled that he is eligible but is not allowed to take the MVP does not change anything of my point.

I said:

The players dies, gets ressurected, changes the team and is treated in the post-match sequence as a regular player of his new team. No fuzz...

Why should any player that is no longer on the roster in the post-match sequence be awarded a MVP for his old team? He does not even get the chance to be picked for a MVP if you follow the rules straight. Dead players remain on the team roster until the post-match sequence is over but ressurected players change team rosters at once.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:52 pm

Well, to my view, they're still on the roster until the post-match, as that's when I'd remove the player, even if they'd played the majority of the match against me. So they're entitled to the MVP.

And if you want a fluff reason, a announcer who's stupid/corrupt enough to award the MVP to a player who dies before the opening turn, is more than stupid/corrupt enough to award the MVP to a player who dies and is resurrected.

mepmuff · Post by **mepmuff** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:57 pm

Our reassoning was that as he played for his former team that game, he is also eligable for the MVP.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:47 pm

Darkson wrote:Well, to my view, they're still on the roster until the post-match, as that's when I'd remove the player, even if they'd played the majority of the match against me. So they're entitled to the MVP.

The LRB says about Necromaners and ressurection: "...the new player may be placed in the reserves box of the Undead team's Dugout and used immediately..." Why do you think the ressurected player does not change rosters until after the post-match sequence?

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:29 am

I think he'll be on both rosters. After post match sequence he'll be deleted from his former teams roster.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:02 am

The dead player is eligable for the MVP from his original team - but that won't count for the zombie.

The zombie is eligable for the MVP from the team that raised him, that works as normal.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:53 pm

Kheldar wrote:I think he'll be on both rosters. After post match sequence he'll be deleted from his former teams roster.

Exactly.

narkotic · Post by **narkotic** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:31 pm

Hey wait, why is that? Why he is noted down on the new roster without removing him from the old one? The opinion that he appears on both seems quite strange to me...

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:53 am

Why is this strange. Your roster at the beginning of your game is your "Startaufstellung". It wont change the whole game till all rolls related to this game are handled.

The Zombie on the other side must be taken directly to the other players roster so he can use him.

See the two players as completly different characters and you have no problem understanding.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:14 pm

Do you remove all your dead players from the roster immediately, or do you wait until the end of the game?