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Multiple Block - do I have it right?
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:50 am
by Tante Kaethe
Fist of all, I have used the "Search" function but I'm still a bit confused about the correct use of "Multiple Block"
under LRB4-rules. So here are some questions, maybe someone can help me:
1) Can Multiple Block still be used on a "Blitz"?
2) can one of my players assist, if he's only in one of the two opponents Tacklezone:
XDD
AMX
X = empty square
D = Defender
A = Assist
M = Multiple Blocker
Thanks,
Tante Käthe
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:58 am
by matkov
1) yes
2) yes
I think he can assist ONLY if he is in one of the tackle zones.
XXBC
XDD
AMX
X = empty square
D = Defender
A = Assist
M = Multiple Blocker
B = doesn't assist (unless guard of course)
C = assist
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:11 am
by Redfang
I thought B also assisted, but it is exactly because of this kind of stuff that I never use Multiple Block...
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:28 am
by Dave
not sure if you're allowed to MB on a blitz ..
B cannot assist .. he's in a TZ .. the strenght of both players in added to eachother but that doesn't make them one player.
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:34 am
by Tante Kaethe
Hi,
thanks for your quick replies
!
I think that "B" may assist if he has the Guard Skill, doesn't he?
I'm pretty sure that they took away the Blitz-otion in the Vault-rules. But how is it handled under LRB?
Cheers,
Tante Käthe.
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:42 am
by Redfang
Dave wrote:not sure if you're allowed to MB on a blitz ..
B cannot assist .. he's in a TZ .. the strenght of both players in added to eachother but that doesn't make them one player.
but he isn't in a tackle zone of a player not being MB'd...
Like I said, I'm not sure, and I think there should be a really nice large section dedicated to clearing up MB in the LRB
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:31 am
by Old Man Draco
Dave wrote:not sure if you're allowed to MB on a blitz ..
Never read anything that disallows it, so I'd say yes, you can use MultBl on a blitz.
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:44 am
by Gorbad
Redfang wrote:Dave wrote:not sure if you're allowed to MB on a blitz ..
B cannot assist .. he's in a TZ .. the strenght of both players in added to eachother but that doesn't make them one player.
but he isn't in a tackle zone of a player not being MB'd...
Like I said, I'm not sure, and I think there should be a really nice large section dedicated to clearing up MB in the LRB
Why are you not sure? There are no extra rules:
From ASSISTING A BLOCK in LRB4.0:
1. Must be adjacent to the enemy player involved in the block, and...
B is.
2. Must not be in the tackle zone of any other player from the opposing team, and ...
B is in the tacklezone of <b>any other</b> player from the opposing team.
3. Must be standing.
B is.
So B cannot assist.
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:07 am
by Old Man Draco
I think your ruling is correct Gorbad.
Question is, do 2 players being multiple blocked, count as one player for the block. They do when adding up their strength, then why not when determining tackle zones?
I would like to see that spelled out in the LRB because the way it is written now leaves a lot of openings for discussion.
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:17 am
by Tante Kaethe
@Redfang
...but it is exactly because of this kind of stuff that I never use Multiple Block...
My Ogres refuse to roll doubles and stat increases
(only 1 double in 12 skill rolls) so I'm running out of skills to take
.
I think I'll give one Ogre Multiple Block for his second skill (he already has Guard) as I already have 4 Guarders and 3 Ogres with Break Tackle... Piling on is just ain't worth taking.
Cheers
Tante Käthe
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:59 am
by Gorbad
Draco wrote:Question is, do 2 players being multiple blocked, count as one player for the block. They do when adding up their strength, then why not when determining tackle zones?
I would like to see that spelled out in the LRB because the way it is written now leaves a lot of openings for discussion.
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Multiple Block (Strength Skill)
The player is allowed to block two opposing players at the same time. The opposing players must be next to the player making the block and adjacent to each other. Their strengths are added together and both suffer the effects of the block equally. Both sides may use assists normally. Players in the tackle zones of both targets of a Multiple Block may not assist the blocking player unless they have Guard. In case of each opponent being pushed back, fully resolve the push back for one opponent before resolving the second opponent's push back.
Ehm, nothing about them counting as one player, and especially for Redfang it even states that you can't assist....
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:48 pm
by GalakStarscraper
Gorbad beat me to the punch here. The skill in the LRB 4.0 says right in it that B cannot assist.
Oh and its any block not Block Action which means that yes you can use it with a Blitz action.
Galak
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:15 pm
by Redfang
That's what you get for not reading the new LRB each year...
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:31 pm
by hoomin_erra
Gorbad wrote:Draco wrote:Question is, do 2 players being multiple blocked, count as one player for the block. They do when adding up their strength, then why not when determining tackle zones?
I would like to see that spelled out in the LRB because the way it is written now leaves a lot of openings for discussion.
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Multiple Block (Strength Skill)
The player is allowed to block two opposing players at the same time. The opposing players must be next to the player making the block and adjacent to each other. Their strengths are added together and both suffer the effects of the block equally. Both sides may use assists normally. Players in the tackle zones of both targets of a Multiple Block may not assist the blocking player unless they have Guard. In case of each opponent being pushed back, fully resolve the push back for one opponent before resolving the second opponent's push back.
Ehm, nothing about them counting as one player, and especially for Redfang it even states that you can't assist....
Ok, the way it works.
XXOO
XHHX
OTOX
O= Orc
T= Troll
H= Human
Troll wants to MB to 2 humans. Troll is Strength 5. Human Lino is ST3. Add the 2 togethere = 6. Oops, 2DB against the Troll. Aah, the Orc to the left of the troll assists, and the one on the right can't as he is in a tackle zone.
Troll plus 1 assist = 6. 1DB. Luckily, 2 other orcs arrive to help, but only 1 can, the one in the top right corner. That makes a total of ST7 (5+1+1) against ST6 (3+3). 2DB
Byeeeee humies!!!
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:06 pm
by Musta Surma
I know this is an old thread, but I just got confused, can you use multiple-block in both these situations?
1)
xHxHx
xxMxx
2)
xxHHx
xxMxx
x emtpy field
M multiple block player
H the victims
I have doubts about the first situation as the player has an empty field between them and there I would see them as adjacent or am I wrong?