Actual Ruleset ?

[neverdodge]

Hi everyone.

I was away from BB for a while and now back so i got some questions :

First of all thanks to Galak (and everyone else who contributed) for providing this : viewtopic.php?t=19389

now the questions :
1- I ve never tried the vault rules or whatever they were called, especially because they were changing to often. Now is this version a final version (at least for a year) ?
2- This version is not official yet, will there be any changes when it will be released (printed, or just officialised) ?
3- Will this et be used in tourneys ?

Thanks for answers

[Podfrey]

Nice to see you back!

Dunno about answers, but I think for 3) there will be some tournies that adopt and some that don't. Overall I've never been convinced on the need for these rules and have never seen a "statement of intent" with what they are trying to gain from changing them. As such I'm not the world's biggest fan of them (putting it politely). Any tournies I run will be sticking to LRB 4.0.

[GalakStarscraper]

The rules that an organizer uses for his tournament is always up to him and I'll defend that forever.

However ... make sure you download a copy of the LRB 4.0 so you can post it on your site announcing the tournament. It will be permantently removed from the GW website by the end of June.

Galak

[Podfrey]

Will do (cheers for the heads up ).

Tom, please don't misunderstand my reasons for sticking with LRB 4; I am supportive of any and all efforts to improve BB as a game, and appreciate that you personally (as well as countless individuals) have put an exceptional amount of work into LRB 5.0. It's just that without understanding the thinking behind this big need to change I am not as enthusiastic about adopting the new LRB 5 as I would be if I believed in the reasons for making all of these changes.

[neverdodge]

Lucifer, you play in tourneys only or in league too ?

As a league com, i often face the same problems : TR difference between some team and the handicap table not appropriated, or having coach that want to join after some seasons were already played. Or having destroyed low AV teams never been able to rebuy rookie players. I think the new ruleset is supposed to deal with that. (again i m not familiar with the new rules so i can t tell if it s the case).

[darren woodward]

Guys, is LRB5 official from next month? - i thought i read somewhere it was to remain experimental. Doesn't appear that way if the link to LRB4 is to be removed.

Thanks

[Podfrey]

85% tournie, 15% league. I await to see what impact the rules have.

[TuernRedvenom]

Lucifer, you play in tourneys only or in league too ?

As a league com, i often face the same problems : TR difference between some team and the handicap table not appropriated, or having coach that want to join after some seasons were already played. Or having destroyed low AV teams never been able to rebuy rookie players. I think the new ruleset is supposed to deal with that. (again i m not familiar with the new rules so i can t tell if it s the case).

The new rules were made to deal with these problems, and they work pretty good for that too. Seeing that I play 80% league and 20% tourney I like them a lot.

[GalakStarscraper]

Guys, is LRB5 official from next month? - i thought i read somewhere it was to remain experimental. Doesn't appear that way if the link to LRB4 is to be removed.

Thanks

LRB 5 becomes official next month. LRB 4.0 will be permanently removed from the website nex month.

Lucifier ... different folks have different opinions but here is the main reason that LRB 5.0 was made.

1) Aging sucks ... as a mechanic some folks would tell you it work ... great ... but it sure sucked all the fun out of skill rolls for me ... got the point where I didn't want skill rolls. JJ wanted aging gone.

2) The Handicap table didn't work ... again there are some folks that will suggest it did. I dropped out of a league because the handicap table either gave you the game or allowed you to be slaughtered once TR was a big enough difference. More than anything else ... JJ wanted the handicap table deleted and new rules to replace it.

3) JJ had a desire to throughly clarify the rules, simplify them to make more space in the rulebook, add some old 3rd edition rules back (like the Cards), and bring some new skills into Blood Bowl.

4) JJ disliked the multiple rolls around fouling. AV, Inj, Referee, AtC. In his opinion, it should take up to 4 rolls to deal with fouling. He wanted it streamlined down to 2. Again ... several folks have argued that the 4 rolls where fine. JJ disagreed.
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That was the reason for the major changes of LRB 5.0. YES other stuff got into the mix as we worked over the last 2 years and 3 months. Team and skill tweaks both.

But for this question: "It's just that without understanding the thinking behind this big need to change" ... the above 4 were why JJ said the rules needed overhauled.

Again ... I'm not hear to argue anymore whether these 4 really needed overhauled ... I'm simply answering the question of why it was done in the first place.

Galak

[Podfrey]

Cheers Big G!! First time I've seen those reasons.

TBH it is the fouling and skills bits that I'm least comfortable about; fouling because it remains the same chance of being caught on every foul and skills because they don't really add any new opportunities (they only reinforce the already bashy element of the game when they could have helped reinforce things like ball movement).

[Magic Dave]

wow

downloaded the vault LRB5 awhile a go and have redownloaded and reread it and wow.

lots more skills, which is good as we all have got to that point when a lineman has one or two skills and the list now lookes really short as to what to give him.

lots of fluff, which is always nice!

cant wait, so i guess anouncement i going to happen at the BB about the change of rule books.

[GalakStarscraper]

(they only reinforce the already bashy element of the game when they could have helped reinforce things like ball movement).

I know some folks would diagree that they didn't open up new strategies.

Based on my games so far I've found both Kick-off Return and Fend open up better avenues for ball control.

Galak

[gallowin]

I know I'm a bit late responding to this thread. There are things that I like within this new ruleset and definitely some changes to teams that I applaud. However the rules were made more fluid (changing often) since the LRB started I know a few new people in my leagues have lost interest over the years as they don't want to try and keep up with the changes. Truth is not all coaches know every nuiance of the rules.

We can call them non-believers and what not for quitting however they were still coaches that I would squash on my way to #1 and wins to tuck under my belt. My concerns are with retaining people for league play as I've had my groups dwindle down to just four people.

This new ruleset brings lots of good & needed changes however I wonder when it will slow down with the changes. The advantage I saw to the rules being made living was new teams being added. The down side is retention of someone new to the game.

LRB 5.0 won't be the last change as I know there will be feedback from the community at large. However for longevity what is the long term plan for Blood Bowl as a game?

[GalakStarscraper]

LRB 5.0 won't be the last change as I know there will be feedback from the community at large. However for longevity what is the long term plan for Blood Bowl as a game?

According to JJ the next BBRC Rules Review is not scheduled until October 2008 if I understood correctly.

Galak

[gallowin]

Knowing that this ruleset will be in place for a few years I look forward to testing it out and getting people as addicted as me.

Thanks!