Moving Players

falconeyed · Post by **falconeyed** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:25 pm

I played in my first tournament this weekend and I found myself dealing with an inconsistency when compared with my league play. In my league, we interpret the movement rules like this: If you're moving a guy around the pitch, you're required to do it from square to square and once you move a guy into a certain square during your movement, he's committed to that square. As a result, sometime people miss tackle zones and such which can sometimes result in an unintended dodge and thus possibly a turnover.

With the tournament, the players I was playing were basically ignoring this rule. A couple of times people moved players into and through tackle zones, but when I pointed this out, they started over and ended up having the MA to move around the TZ. One recalculation went from a dodge into two tackle zones to an assist on a bull centaur that naturally resulted in the bull centaur being knocked out of the game.

I guess my question is this ... how rigid are your movement rules, either in tournaments or leagues? I find the former to be the ideal rule interpretation, as the latter can end up with issues (trying to figure out where the moving player began his turn when trying to recalculate movement after the mini has actually been moved, that sort of thing). Also, in my league, you can count out loud potential movement paths as much as the time allows, but once you've moved the mini, he's committed to the square he just moved into.

Just curious. I was trying to balance fair play versus just enjoying the tourney, so I wasn't certain what the general interpretation should be. If it was in my league, there wouldn't have been any discussion.

Thanks.

Mootaz · Post by **Mootaz** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:35 pm

I always play by very loose roles. If you find out you need to dodge, then just recalculate your way. I can always remember where you started. I think this is about fun. I don't want to win because you missed my guy who forced you to dodge. I play mostly tournaments and every game I've ever played has been handled like this.

mlindsay2706 · Post by **mlindsay2706** » Mon May 29, 2006 4:49 pm

Mootaz wrote:I always play by very loose roles. If you find out you need to dodge, then just recalculate your way. I can always remember where you started. I think this is about fun. I don't want to win because you missed my guy who forced you to dodge. I play mostly tournaments and every game I've ever played has been handled like this.

ditto

same here. always played like that, in league and tourneys,

Bonehead · Post by **Bonehead** » Mon May 29, 2006 5:28 pm

Yes, same for me. You can change your path as long as no dice have been thrown. That's what I didn't like about FUMBBL. Wrong click-->damn I have to dodge now...

falconeyed · Post by **falconeyed** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:04 pm

Sounds like my league is in the minority. Having played most of my BB via the former rule interpretation, I have to say I prefer it. My league is pretty strict in its rule interpretation (strict 4 minutes per turn, strict illegal procedure, strict movement). Basically mistakes happen and one should be forced to deal with them. Mistakes are part of the game, which is my league's interpretation. With the latter loose rules, basically turnovers are only going to result from bad dice rolling instead of bad dice rolling and not paying attention to your movement.

This is good to know for the next tourney I play in.

mlindsay2706 · Post by **mlindsay2706** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:20 pm

belive me though, you wont complain if you can change your path it a tourney, and is saves you from having to dodge or something.

Duke Jan · Post by **Duke Jan** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:26 pm

Strict rulings help avoid conflicts about the rules but with the current ruleset that's not really an issue anyway. Only if people keep "forgetting" about a rule it might be a good idea to engorce it rigidly.

TuernRedvenom · Post by **TuernRedvenom** » Mon May 29, 2006 6:56 pm

Mootaz wrote:I always play by very loose roles. If you find out you need to dodge, then just recalculate your way. I can always remember where you started. I think this is about fun. I don't want to win because you missed my guy who forced you to dodge. I play mostly tournaments and every game I've ever played has been handled like this.

Yup, I prefer to win/lose because of a brilliant move rather then someone not spotting a tackle zone. I would even quit playing if our league would enforce strict those strict rules, sucks the fun right out of the game IMO.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:47 am

TuernRedvenom wrote:
Mootaz wrote:I always play by very loose roles. If you find out you need to dodge, then just recalculate your way. I can always remember where you started. I think this is about fun. I don't want to win because you missed my guy who forced you to dodge. I play mostly tournaments and every game I've ever played has been handled like this.
Yup, I prefer to win/lose because of a brilliant move rather then someone not spotting a tackle zone. I would even quit playing if our league would enforce strict those strict rules, sucks the fun right out of the game IMO.

Ditto.

4 minute rule, IP, strict movement - all not fun imo, and all ruled out here.

As long as no dice have been thrown, I've no bother with someone replotting their course.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Tue May 30, 2006 2:45 am

Ditto to Darkson. So long as dice aren't rolled I'm more than happy for my opponent to take back moves etc (or even change the player being moved - I really don't mind).

slup · Post by **slup** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:48 am

There is just one problem left, when you cannot remember where the player started.

habasta · Post by **habasta** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:41 am

We played in our league also strong rules, 4 min, IP, but the movement is not strong. When you take a player in the air you had to take him. But his way on the pitch you can choose so long if no dices roll or the time run out.

DesTroy · Post by **DesTroy** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:41 am

Our league plays movement fairly loosely, doesn't use the 4 minute rule (although I'm starting to think we should, at least in the case of one league player), but we are sticklers on Illegal Procedure. I find the best way to teach new players is to allow them one IP without being called on it, then call it as per the rules afterward. Keeps them on track IMHO, with regard to learning the Team Turn sequence.

Having played in both league and tourney play, I find myself annoyed by opponents in tourneys who conveniently "forget" to move the Turn Marker because they know damn well they can get away with it if their opponent doesn't watch them like a hawk.

matkov · Post by **matkov** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:13 am

We call IP for not moving turn marker but all other rules about moving players and time limit is upon coaches. For me personally I use 4 min turns (more or none with newbies), just because I don't want to play for 4-5 hours because of slow opponents turns (which happened before when I do not used 4 min rule). But to movement I let opponents to take back move and move in another path.

Willi · Post by **Willi** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:59 pm

I just changed from a league with strict 4min, IP and I think also movement rules to on where this is in no way strict.

I very much prefer the latter and I would even allow my opponent to change the player to be moved when no dices are rolled yet.