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pick up the ball and pass

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:15 am
by habasta
My question: if i want to pass the ball and before i pick up the ball. Must i declare to my opponent what i want to do before i pick up the ball?

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:42 am
by fen
You have to declare a Pass Action with the player if you wish to pick up and pass the ball. But once you've done this and picked up the ball you can always change your mind and not pass. This still uses your team's Pass Action.

Similar with a pick up and Hand Off.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:42 am
by rodders
yup

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:28 pm
by Buggrit
Cheers, this is a question that I had come up this weekend too.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:52 pm
by Tritex
Its the done thing but if its a friendly game (as much as these things are) and you forget, your opponent may let you off as long as you haven't passed thus far.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:56 pm
by fen
I pretty much declare a Pass or Hand Off action every time I move the player with the ball (or the player about to pick up the ball.)

That way I never have to worry about not having the chance to toss the ball if I want too. And if I happen to spot a decent window to pass/hand the ball to another player, I have the chance.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:52 pm
by DamianTheLost
Does this mean that u can decide not to block after having moved a player and declared ablitz????

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:25 pm
by fen
DamianTheLost wrote:Does this mean that u can decide not to block after having moved a player and declared ablitz????
Certainly. Wild Animal anyone?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:27 pm
by zephard
A blitz is a move with possible block during the movement, you don't have to block.

But if you don't block, you can not call another blitz that turn.

Pass and Hand off are the same way.

With Vamps and Ogres, does one have to declare block? As in is "move" the standard undeclared action before the neg roll?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:50 pm
by Darkson
zephard wrote:With Vamps and Ogres, does one have to declare block? As in is "move" the standard undeclared action before the neg roll?
Yes (and other Big Guys as well).

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:52 am
by serge
fen wrote:I pretty much declare a Pass or Hand Off action every time I move the player with the ball (or the player about to pick up the ball.)

That way I never have to worry about not having the chance to toss the ball if I want too. And if I happen to spot a decent window to pass/hand the ball to another player, I have the chance.
But don't you still have to declare who will receive the pass? If so, then there is almost no advatange in declaring a pass EVERY time someone moves with the ball. It often is a question of a different receiver, than to pass or not to pass.

Correct me if I am wrong, I only have 20 games behind my belt.

Serge

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:41 am
by Mootaz
serge wrote:But don't you still have to declare who will receive the pass?
You only declare the target of the pass when you actually throw the ball. You can even measure to any and as many receivers as you like, any time during your Pass action.

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:43 am
by fen
serge wrote:But don't you still have to declare who will receive the pass?
No, have a read through the passing rules again (LRB5 p.12) and you'll see that nowhere does it say you must declare the target at the start of the action. You choose the target after you've finished moving.
It is perfectly acceptable to pre-measure the range to several players at any point during the throwing player's move before you declare the target of the pass.

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:44 pm
by Snew
You declare the pass or handoff when you move the ball carrier just in case you change your mind and decide you need to do something with the ball to make it safer. If you just move, you're stuck where you are. It only opens up options is all. That's why they said that.