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Declaration of hand-off action?

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:53 pm
by Helby
When is a hand-off action declared.
1) Before you activate the player performing the action?
2) Or during the players turn, for example after he picked up the ball?

I had this discussion with another coach today and since we couldn't come to any kind of agreement i promised him to ask you guys.

Hope you can help

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:02 pm
by plasmoid
All actions are declared as the first thing for the player - i.e. he can not do anything until you have declared his action.

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:48 pm
by Grumbledook
plasmoid wrote:All actions are declared as the first thing for the player - i.e. he can not do anything until you have declared his action.
qft

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:14 pm
by Ullis
Maybe your friend plays in Fumbbl too, where you can decide at any point you're moving?

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:22 pm
by GalakStarscraper
plasmoid wrote:All actions are declared as the first thing for the player - i.e. he can not do anything until you have declared his action.
What he said.

Galak

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:29 pm
by Gumbo
Ullis wrote:Maybe your friend plays in Fumbbl too, where you can decide at any point you're moving?
Or maybe he hasn't played since 3rd ed when you could hand off at any point as a free action. :)

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:27 pm
by Mo
The courtesy custom around these parts is that you declare actions at the start, but it's OK to declare during hte move as long as you haven't rolled any dice yet as part of that move.

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:07 pm
by Helby
Thx for all the answers!

Can any of you give me some kind of reference to the rulebook that can help me convience my friend?

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:09 pm
by Digger Goreman
Player Actions, P7, 2nd Paragraph....

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:47 pm
by Smeborg
I agree with Mo. If my opponent has not taken any risks during his move, I'm normally happy to let him Blitz, Pass, Hand Off or Foul etc.

It's very common for newbies or rusty players to do this - I just let them.

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:22 pm
by Alamar
As far as the rules go you declare before you touch the fig. I recommend that as a custom you do it even for move actions.

On the other hand if it's obvious to me what the coach is trying to do then I'll remind them and almost always let them go through with the action.

If it's not obvious and/or dice have been rolled then it's a no-no. Of course if they want to reroll all dice [esp. if they were dangerous rolls] then I don't have too much of an issue with it :)

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:28 am
by alternat
in this cases I generally declare "I go and pick up the ball, and if I succeed I'll hand it off"

just to be sure.

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:26 pm
by Cramy
alternat wrote:in this cases I generally declare "I go and pick up the ball, and if I succeed I'll hand it off"

just to be sure.
I tend to do this as well, I'll declare my whole action plan before moving the miniature. No confusion.

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:40 pm
by Mysterious Stranger
Smeborg wrote:I agree with Mo. If my opponent has not taken any risks during his move, I'm normally happy to let him Blitz, Pass, Hand Off or Foul etc.

It's very common for newbies or rusty players to do this - I just let them.
Although I don't think it's much of a problem to give a bit of leeway in most cases, even to experienced coaches, it could be abused (though admittedly, when someone says, "You didn't declare a pass" it's also true that you didn't declare a move...).

Definitely best practice to declare all actions, including move, and good practice for the non-acting coach to ask, "Is that a move action?" when his opponent starts moving a figure - waiting to lawyer him with "you didn't say Blitz" seems a bit sneaky to me. :)