Quick intercept clarification

Rabid_Bogscum · Post by **Rabid_Bogscum** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:31 am

Ok so who is eligible to intercept these passes:

*****
*1P2*
*3*4*
*****
*****
*****
*5*6*
*7C8*

and how bout this one

*****
*1P2*
*3C4*
*****

1-8= opponents
P=Passer
C=Catcher

purdindas · Post by **purdindas** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:44 am

This is my interpretation of the rules and the ones me and my mates normally stick to.

Any player in a square in betwwen the Thrower and the reciever can try and intercept if the passing template crosses into said square. The intercepter has to be between the thrower and reciever though.

The first one I would say 3,4,5,6 are able to intercept the others not.

The second one none of the opponents can intercept. I understand what you are trying to get across but in this instance you would be better to hand it off anyway.

Tripleskull · Post by **Tripleskull** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:46 am

First example: 3-6

second: none

You ned to be close to both passer and catrcher than they are to eachother. On top of that you need to be under the range ruler, witch is sometimes hard to tell.

frogbear · Post by **frogbear** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:47 am

In the first one, any of the players numbered 3-6 are eligible for the interception.

After reading the rules a little bit, I see where you are going with the next example. As neither of the players on the opposition fulfill all of the requirements as listed below, none may intercept:

1. be between the player who threw the ball and the target player
2. plastic ruler passes over part of their square (this one is fulfilled)
3. Distance from the centre of his square to the throwers centre and
4. Distance from centre of his square to the reciving square....
5. ..is shorter than the distance between the centre of both the thrower's and recieving square.

In the 2nd example, I do not see how any of the players fulfill the objectives of 1,3,4, & 5 above.

Hope this helps.

Cheers..

frogbear · Post by **frogbear** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:50 am

purdindas wrote:in this instance you would be better to hand it off anyway.

Maybe he is greedy. Maybe he needs the completed pass to make the next skill level.

This has happened to me before. It never ends happily however....

Rabid_Bogscum · Post by **Rabid_Bogscum** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:51 am

thats the way I play it.. but Ive had a few questions from time to time.. and wanted to be clear

how bout

*P***
*****
*1C**

OR

*p***
*****
**1C*

Rabid_Bogscum · Post by **Rabid_Bogscum** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:52 am

frogbear wrote:
purdindas wrote:in this instance you would be better to hand it off anyway.
Maybe he is greedy. Maybe he needs the completed pass to make the next skill level.

This has happened to me before. It never ends happily however....

or maybe he's used his hand off action and this is part of a relay throw setup

Tripleskull · Post by **Tripleskull** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:52 am

Can be intercepted in both cases. Simple trigonometry

Rabid_Bogscum · Post by **Rabid_Bogscum** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:57 am

ok so if an angle comes into play then the guys on the inside but next to the thrower or catcher are eligible but they arent if its a straight throw

Tripleskull · Post by **Tripleskull** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:03 am

Yes, imagine a triangle betvine the three players - the line from passer to catcher should be the longest side of the triangle.

purdindas · Post by **purdindas** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:45 am

Yeah can be intercepted in both of the latter cases

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:08 pm

I believe purdindas and Tripleskull are correct.

In the first example, one of 3,4,5 and 6 can intercept, in the second example no-one is eligible to intercept.

It is not only whether the template cuts the square of the potential interceptor, it's whether the potential interceptor is closer to (or as close to) the passer/catcher from the catcher's/passer's point of view.

Hope this helps.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:22 am

Although I agree that is the official rule - I think it is a bit daft

Code: Select all

_P_
___
___
1C2

Neither 1 nor 2 get to intercept inspite of having the catcher surrounded. If the passer moves one square left or right then one of them does.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:44 am

But, Ian - either 1 or 2 only need to position themselves 1 square closer to P, and they can intercept. And, anyway, assuming that C doesn't have NoS, then he is at -2 to catch, as well as requiring 2 dodges to move away, making a bigger contribution to a potential turnover than the intercept chance would.

I don't personally find this daft. I don't look on C as surrounded, I look on him as flanked, leaving a narrow corridor for a potential intercept-free pass.

So it means that there are situations where you have to chose between getting an intercept chance, or making it more difficult for the receiver to dodge away. Seems fair and "realistic" enough to me.

1 and 2 would be better positioned north and south of C, rather than east and west, if their intention is to force an intercept chance.

[Of course if P has AG5/Pass/Safe Throw plus re-roll, and C has AG5/NoS/Catch/Dodge, then the potential interceptors can whistle for the ball anyway...]

Hope this helps.

PubBowler · Post by **PubBowler** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:14 pm

ianwilliams wrote: Although I agree that is the official rule - I think it is a bit daft

I'd go with unrealistic.

Works fine with static models but not moving, jostling players.