Animosity and interceptions

[dodolulu]

i wonder where the animosity-roll is placed in the passing sequence on page 77 in the faq of the crp. reading the skilltext and the interceptionrules has brought no further light in the dark for me.
for realism, i would think that its between point 2. and 3. but given the somewhat special interception-rules, it could also be between 4. and 5.
so wheres the right point?

pls enlighten me

[alternat]

right before the pass roll.

1) declare the target
2) roll for animosity
3) if successfull roll for interception/pass/catch
4) if failed choose another target and goto 3 or switch to another player.

[dodolulu]

and can you backup your opinion with more than what youve come up to as your opinion please, because the situation doesnt seem to be that clear to me.

[antipixi]

animosity is a roll to decide whether you can pass to another player. Therefore the roll takes place as alternat say. Since, if you fail the roll the original pass is not taking place and thus cannot be intercepted.

This is my opinion, but based on what I see as logic. It is also the way that my league have played it since it arrived with Chaos Pact.

[Digger Goreman]

I believe the underlined portions support the current contention that the pass is not "aerial" until the animosity check is passed....

Animosity (Extraordinary)
A player with this skill does not like players from his team that are a
different race than he is and will often refuse to play with them despite
the coach's orders. If this player at the end of his Hand-off or Pass Action
attempts to hand-off or pass the ball to a team-mate that is not the same
race as the Animosity player, roll a D6. On a 2+, the pass/hand-off is
carried out as normal. On a 1, the player refuses to try to give the ball to
any team-mate except one of his own race. The coach may choose to
change the target of the pass/hand-off to another team-mate of the same
race as the Animosity player, however no more movement is allowed for
the Animosity player, so the current Action may be lost for the turn.

[alternat]

and can you backup your opinion with more than what youve come up to as your opinion please, because the situation doesnt seem to be that clear to me.

it's not an opinion, it's a fact and the rule is very clear.
as digger pointed out, the animosity roll comes first in every pass or handoff targeted to a player belonging to another race.
No interception until you pass the animosity, because there is no pass.

If you fail your animosity roll, you either must choose another player of your race or don't throw at all.
In the first case, the interception starts when you declare the new target, following normal rules.

[dodolulu]

I believe the underlined portions support the current contention that the pass is not "aerial" until the animosity check is passed....

a pass wouldnt have been aerial if you had fumbled the pass, but for interceptions that doesnt matter as you all know.
the/my uncertainty doesnt come with the description of the skill animosity. its more in the rules for interception.


"The coach must declare that one of his players will try to intercept before the thrower rolls to see if he is on target.
"

[Digger Goreman]

I believe the underlined portions support the current contention that the pass is not "aerial" until the animosity check is passed....

a pass wouldnt have been aerial if you had fumbled the pass, but for interceptions that doesnt matter as you all know.
the/my uncertainty doesnt come with the description of the skill animosity. its more in the rules for interception.


"The coach must declare that one of his players will try to intercept before the thrower rolls to see if he is on target.
"

The player refuses to try and changes the target....

[dodolulu]

ok, this can get funny


...before the thrower rolls to see if he is on target.


not to be perceived false. i would like it to be it your way of interpretation, but im still not totally convinced.
is "on target" the actual pass to the target or just the will to throw to the target? its a little bit unclear to me.

[Smeborg]

dodolulu - the target of the pass is not known until after the Animosity roll is made. Until the target of the pass is known, an intercept attempt cannot be made (because you cannot determine who is in position to make an intercept attempt).

[GalakStarscraper]

dodolulu - the target of the pass is not known until after the Animosity roll is made. Until the target of the pass is known, an intercept attempt cannot be made (because you cannot determine who is in position to make an intercept attempt).

Ding, ding, ding. Smeborg for the win on that one.

As the guy who wrote the rule ... what Digger, Alternat and Smeborg have said are dead on correct.

Animosity is rolled after the player says who is thinking of trying to pass to but before the interception roll because you cannot intercept the ball if that player never was actually the target of the pass.

Galak

[Smeborg]

Thanks, Galak. I was just searching in my head for the simplest proof of this case, to try and help dodolulu without quoting the rulebook.

By the way dodolulu - where in Europe are you? Is it a French speaking country? I remember a rather appealing TV cartoon character on TV when I lived in Geneva by the name of Dodu Dodo (plump dodo).

[dodolulu]

thanks too, i still find the text a little bit inconclusive, but since youre the rules-guru, it shall be played however you meant it to be played.
and as smeborg oviously noticed, im not a native speaker and dont know exactly how my wording sounds, so i hope no one took anything as offensive.

smeborg, im from this country

but its not french speaking and i havent heard of dodu dodo before.

[Smeborg]

dodolulu - I confess defeat at the hands of your flag puzzle. I don't recognise it and can't find it on the web.

So I can only guess that you have made a flag by combining the flags of two different countries. Perhaps Denmark for the red background and Scandinavian cross (my grandmother was Danish), but as for the blue, I have little clue. The only white Scandinavian cross with blue background that I can find is for the Shetland Islands(!).

Will you be so kind as to let me know the answer?

All the best.

[dodolulu]

hehe, to be fair it isnt (was never really) an autonomous country anymore, so that is really hard for anyone outside of the saarland who didnt see this flag before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_%28protectorate%29