Inducements, petty cash and underdogs

[JaM]

Hi all,

In our local league a Goblin player has 300K banked. His TV is around 700-800K, thus getting him some inducements (or hiring players).

Am I correct in assuming that if he moves money from the treasury to the "petty cash" for that game, his TV will go up, thus giving him LESS "free" inducements ? I mean, the TV goes up, your opponents TV stays the same, the "game" will provide you with less free money. Basically you just payed for the inducemnts you already got.
Right ?
Because if you add money to petty cash and you are the overdog, so to speak, the underdog gets the same amount you just spend to close the gap you just created. Otherwise overdogs with a load of money would be even more overdoggish...


Another thing:

Has anyone houseruled something like this ? Because this player is really looking forward to spend a lot of money on inducements, either gained through being underdog but alos by spendng money in his treasury.
Explaining him that buying a reroll or two extra on the team, or just making sure he has enough in cash to make sure he has enough payers is somehow "beyond" him. Not that he's dumb, but he's new to the game.
I dont have his roster here but I doubt he's having a full roster. He probably depends/hopes on journeyme(a)n I guess. Not sure about secret weapons too...

Any friendly advise here ?

Thanks !

JaM

[Greyhound]

You're correct about the petty cash. Remember that if his team is new he MUST have 11 players.
Also journeymen add to the tv and therefore it's better to spend the cash to have the exact same guy without loner.

Petty cash is useful in rare occasions like when you go with a tv difference of 90 (in your favour) you can spend 100k of your cash to get a bribe (useful for deathroller) and only concede 10k to your opponent.

[Grumbledook]

Any money an underdog spends reduces the amount of inducement money that they get, you were right in that regard

if a player doesn't want to spend his money in order to get more inducements then that is fine and the rules allow it, if you want to house rule something to stop them doing that then by all means go ahead

I would suggest something along the lines of if they have enough money in their treasury to afford their most expensive item (player or reroll) and they have less than 11 players then they must make a purchase before the next game

on a side note, i think there could perhaps be some merit in having a separate spiralling expenses rule for money in the treasury after a certain amount if a league has lots of teams with loads of cash hoarded

[JaM]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Greyhound: the team isnt new, he has already played several matches with it.
Good call about the journeyman. I seem to be forgetting that sometimes, although the league commish doesnt. So that's all good.

Grumble: It's not my 'place" to houserule this league, although I can give decent suggestions.
But most players are quite new. I dont think the league should be punishing them in any way.
I mean, he's using goblins...

Cheers !

[Wosret]

I mean, he's using goblins...

And now he has gone and dang, darn won a game VS Skaven.

life of a commish is hard.

He just wont spend his cash so he can induce ripper every match so that he can play with 3 trolls.
Al ready explained to him that that might cause problems in the league finals as mercs and stars are not allowed. but he doesn't seem to mind

[JPS]

He just wont spend his cash so he can induce ripper every match so that he can play with 3 trolls.

This is pretty standard strategy with goblins and halflings - especially halflings. Keep TR low to get a constant flow of inducements and build up your treasury to replace your goblins/halflings because they die off pretty quick. If your opponent has a TR as low as yours and you still need that star player or bribe or whatever, you can transfer money from treasury to petty cash to purchase it, but this will bump up your TR for that game, probably giving your opponent inducements.

And, yes, during the playoffs this strategy doesn't work because of the playoff rules.

- JPS

[JaM]

Hey Wilger, good to see you here

He's just plain lucky he even has it. I've used a lot of money in the previous league to replace killed players, more money would have been more than welcome

[Twyllenimor]

Because it is written in the CRP on page 28 that the team with the highest TV must declare how much gold he is transferring into petty cash first I would like to know if he must tell his total TV or if it is enough that a "third person" tells which team has the higher TV?

[JaM]

??

You just look at each other's teamsheet and then work out who has the highest tv. Or just look at each other's tv on the sheet, if you dont like sharing stats.
But I cant imagine NOT sharing a teamsheet. This isnt 40K after all (where I also shared my armylist btw).

[Daht]

as I understand it, if he spents treasury to petty cash for more inducements, it just adds to his available inducement money BUT the higher rated team gets the amount as well, as the starting inducements plus treasury puts the underdog higher.

Thats why higher teams have to declare treasury first.. if they want to buy a wiz for 150k, they add another 150k to the underdog's inducements.. but the underdog can 'round off' a 50k difference to get one more boost without the higher team being able to purchase anything.... but an underdog putting 50k or more in for a big star would then allow the higher team to purchase a few things to even up the total values.

[GalakStarscraper]

If you want to try a house rule that cleans up Petty Cash you could try the Bank rules that the BBRC had voted to be in the LRB before JJ single handedly vetoed and added the Petty Cash rules.

If you search for the word Bank with me as the author and look for Posts (not Topics)... you'll find them on these forums pretty quickly