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What happens? Turn 8 (for both), Player 1 is down after Blitz near own TD Zone, The Blitzer is standing in the Endzone, Ball comes to rest in front of the Blitzer. Player 2 wants to pick up the ball and make an handoff. Pick up fails and the balls scatters to the Blitzer.
Is it a TD?
It is a Tournover cause he missed to pick up the ball and the Game Ends.
Or is it a TD because the Ball doesn't come to rest.

common sense would dictate it is a touchdown

the variables you describe would determine if it is a td in your turn or the opponents

again applying common sense you wait till the ball has come to rest before the turnover occurs

so failed pick up and touchdown both cause a turnover and both happen at the same time

anyone saying otherwise isn't using common sense and are totally being a rules lawyer ;]

iagree

logically, it can not be a turnover until the ball is held in the hands of the other team (in this example). tfore it must be a TD.

Ditto

nazgob wrote:iagree

logically, it can not be a turnover until the ball is held in the hands of the other team (in this example). tfore it must be a TD.

Well technically the failure to pick the ball up causes the turn over no matter who catches the bouncing ball, but I don't believe the turnover is immediate until all the consequences have been resolved, including scoring a TD for either side if the relevant piece catches in the end zone.

There was something weird in the scoring section about a team member completing an Action to be able to score. In this case Hand Off was declared but never completed.
It makes a ton of sense for him to score the TD.
This is one of those "loosely" defined events. To many words to get the point across. (Shall I go on )

If a player from either team is holding the ball while Standing in the opposing End Zone the result is a TD.
If the player scored during the opponents turn (say being pushed by a block) then move the "defensive" turn marker ahead one space.

unless I did not understand the 500 word essay on TDs correctly.

I wrote:logically, it can not be a turnover until the ball is held in the hands of the other team (in this example). tfore it must be a TD.

I was under the impression that a failed catch id not cause a turnover. For exampe, if player A drops it, but scatters the ball to B who does catch it, its not a failed turnover. of course, I dont have my book onme at the moment...

nazgob wrote:

I wrote:logically, it can not be a turnover until the ball is held in the hands of the other team (in this example). tfore it must be a TD.

I was under the impression that a failed catch id not cause a turnover. For exampe, if player A drops it, but scatters the ball to B who does catch it, its not a failed turnover. of course, I dont have my book onme at the moment...

From 'Throwing The Ball' section:

"if the ball misses the target but is stil caught by a player from the moving team, then a turnover does not take place"

Scattered, bounced around, into the crowd and out again... doesnt' matter, as long as you have it in your hands when the ball has come to rest.

If a player drops the ball Picking it up, however, it is a turnover and the turn ends immediately.

If it scatters to a player in the endzone, who catches it, technically they've caught it in the opponents turn, so you'd move to the Scoring in the Opponent's turn rule. I think. That's how I'd rule it, anyway.

A failed catch is not a turnover if the ball ends up in one of your players hands after all the bouncing.

A failed pick up is always a turnover regardless who ends up with the ball.

But like I said, I don't believe the turn ends until all the consequences of the turnover are resolved; injury rolls, bounces, catches, etc.

I misread the question - i thought it referred to a handoff action, not a pick up. now i see the grey area.

Ulthuan_Express wrote: If it scatters to a player in the endzone, who catches it, technically they've caught it in the opponents turn, so you'd move to the Scoring in the Opponent's turn rule. I think. That's how I'd rule it, anyway.

+1

Ulthuan_Express wrote:If a player drops the ball Picking it up, however, it is a turnover and the turn ends when the ball comes to a rest.

fixed.

in this case, there is a turnover for the moving team and a TD for the blitzing team.

there is no grey area. Ball must stop its movements before the turnover actually takes place.

alternat wrote:

Ulthuan_Express wrote:If a player drops the ball Picking it up, however, it is a turnover and the turn ends when the ball comes to a rest.

fixed.

You fixed the CRP? Awesome

It was a direct quote. Immediately. The ball coming to rest is mentioned with Throws and Hand-Offs, not pick ups. Page 7 (third of the PDF) describes the turnover conditions perfectly here.

CRP wrote:If the D6 roll is less than the required total, then the player drops the ball, which will bounce one square. If the player drops the ball then his team suffers a turnover and their turn ends immediately.

Their turn is over at the same time the ball scatters. Then you try and catch it with the guy in the endzone.

Ulthuan_Express wrote:If it scatters to a player in the endzone, who catches it, technically they've caught it in the opponents turn, so you'd move to the Scoring in the Opponent's turn rule. I think. That's how I'd rule it, anyway.

but the whole point is that it is the last turn of the match and you don't move into the opponents turn...

Grumbledook wrote:

Ulthuan_Express wrote:If it scatters to a player in the endzone, who catches it, technically they've caught it in the opponents turn, so you'd move to the Scoring in the Opponent's turn rule. I think. That's how I'd rule it, anyway.

but the whole point is that it is the last turn of the match and you don't move into the opponents turn...

Then they don't score, and it's so near yet so far. Simple?