Hitting own player with Ball & Chain?

[jawCross]

First: Is Ball & Chain only way to make Block against own team mate? (LRB5)

How is blocking against own team mate handled?

Case: Fanatic blocks my Pogoer. (ST7 vs ST2)
*I will use three dice and then I choose one of them.
So I have 1 - (0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5) = 0.875 = 87,5% probability to get Pogoer pushed back.
*Is it turnover if Pogoer without ball Knocks Down by my Fanatics?

[txapo]

yes is turn over.

note that this is the weirdest way to oneturning in BB. If you have just one turn remaning, you set up goblins in front of the balll & chain push one of them them 5 times (if it is not fungus you hace to go for it twice), somehow pass the ball onto his hands, run ...go for it twice and score!!!!!

[Grumbledook]

one of your players falling over due to a block is a turnover as Txapo said


though you can assign assists as you like as you control both players, you can also just pick a pushback which is quite likely on three dice

[Smeborg]

I think the odds are even better if your Gobbo being pushed has the Block skill (because a Both Down result equates to a push). So you only need to avoid Skulls and pure Pows, giving you a 26/27 chance of being pushed back, I think.

[duckwing]

Both Down does not equate a push, it is handled as normal. As far as I understand a B&C player can't even use juggernaut to turn a both down in to a push since he doesn't actually blitz.

[jawCross]

Thanks for answers.

You guessed right: I'm planning (maybe not seriously) 1-turn score with a rookie goblin team. There are way too many throw-in throws for moving B&C, even they are safe to try.

But actually this is more practical:
Three skaven gutter runners with sprint standing next each other on Line of Scrimmage and Fezglitch (Skaven with B&C) just behind middle one.
(It might be easier to get sprint for three gutter runners than sprint+MA for one)

[nazgob]

I like the thought. And he's not even that expensive

[txapo]

I think is easier a conventional chain pushing with skaven runners and you don't waste your secret weapon in a one turning!!

[Coach]

Indeed the following might be useful to you jawCross http://bbtactics.com/mv6-one-turn-touchdown/

[Pipey]

though you can assign assists as you like as you control both players, you can also just pick a pushback which is quite likely on three dice

That's interesting. Certainly seems the rules are open to interpretation on this. i.e. they don't say what to do.

When it has come up in my games the sensible solution has seemed to be to say "no assists apply at all from either side".

[Darkson]

No assisting:

In order to make an assist,
the player:
1. Must be adjacent to the enemy player involved in the block,
and...

There's no enemy.

[txapo]

No assisting:

In order to make an assist,
the player:
1. Must be adjacent to the enemy player involved in the block,
and...

There's no enemy.

yep the enemy is mad guy with the balll!!!!

[Grumbledook]

fair enough then, I've never hit my own player with one and if I had then wouldn't have bothered with assists cause you get 3 dice anyway...

(unless hitting a big guy or something, really bad planning has taken place if this is happening though!)

[jawCross]

Indeed the following might be useful to you jawCross http://bbtactics.com/mv6-one-turn-touchdown/

Thanks for this great link, very cool. I have never seen set up like blue team has. But it is still very good tutorial.
(And there were one comment about pushing own player with B&C, so nothing new with my idea)

[Grumbledook]

teams will set up like that in the last turn of a drive if they just scored in their last turn and so won't get one in reply

it is less common for teams to do that now though as more and more people learn to do one turn touchdowns by using chain pushes

obviously if you can do it with move 6 players then getting the right number of pushbacks for a faster player like a gutter runner is even easier