Self-surf

[Hitonagashi]

In BOIING at the weekend, I wanted to surf a black orc on turn 16. The problem was, he was busy pinning my own saurus and 2 skinks to the flank. Hence, I used a frenzied saurus and just surfed my own Saurus on the first block, and the Black Orc on the second...the question is, is it a turnover if you surf yourself, and if so, do you not take the second block using frenzy, or do you finish the action?

At the time, the tourney organisers ruled that it was a turnover after the second block had been thrown. It was turn 16, so it didn't matter (and I wouldn't have done it if the game wasn't already over ).

[mepmuff]

This situation is covered in the section about turnovers in the rulebook (page 7, i believe)

1. A player on the moving team is Knocked Down (being injured
by the crowd or being Placed Prone is not a turnover unless it is
a player from the active team holding the ball; e.g. skills like
Diving Tackle, Piling On and Wrestle count as being Placed
Prone)

[Fat_Emrys]

At the time, the tourney organisers ruled that it was a turnover after the second block had been thrown.

It would appear that the naughty TOs, whoever they were, should have opened their rulebooks and read the First Rule of Turnovers.

/me whistles innocently and slinks away

[Piousman]

Interesting... so a self-surf on Defense (you don't have the ball yet) is not a Turnover, but one on offense is?

So if the ball is loose, you can self-surf, THEN pick the ball up, and it is Ok. But if you pick it up first.. TO.

Was this... inconsistency intentional? Or is it an oversight?

- Piousman

[daloonieshaman]

If an offensive player who is NOT holding the ball gets Surfed it is NOT a turnover (much like spiking your player with TTM)

[Piousman]

Ah, I see the difference now:

I was reading "a player from the active team holding the ball" to mean a player from the active team (team which also has the ball), rather than an active team player, holding the ball.

- Piousman