Diving Catch and handoffs

sirsebstar · Post by **sirsebstar** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:58 pm

Rulequestion.
I always assumed a handoff was an accurate pass (hence the +1 on catch) much like fouling is an armour roll from blocking without the blocking. Hence the no spp.
I was informed that an handoff is not akin to an accurate pass, and hence does not activate the diving catch +1 for accurate passess.

Do you agree?

Post by **lunchmoney** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:59 pm

A Hand Off is not a Pass so cannot be an Accurate Pass.

Post by **lunchmoney** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:02 pm

PS. Fouling is nothing to do with blocking.

Post by **lunchmoney** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:03 pm

Replies are short- posting on phone and I'm not sober. Sorry

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:04 pm

sirsebstar wrote:Rulequestion.
I always assumed a handoff was an accurate pass (hence the +1 on catch) much like fouling is an armour roll from blocking without the blocking. Hence the no spp.
I was informed that an handoff is not akin to an accurate pass, and hence does not activate the diving catch +1 for accurate passess.

Do you agree?

I can find nothing in the LRB6 that likens a hand off to a pass.... Diving catch is not applicable....

Regash · Post by **Regash** » Sun Aug 07, 2016 5:05 am

lunchmoney wrote:A Hand Off is not a Pass so cannot be an Accurate Pass.

That is 100 % correct.
You only have ONE pass action per turn but you can hand off and pass in the same turn.
Therefore, a hand off can never be a pass.

sirsebstar · Post by **sirsebstar** » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:28 am

actually you can throw a bomb which specificly states that it does not use the Pass action, but you may use all skills.
But i see what you did there.
So i reread the rules.
p13 is about catching the ball(but mentions nothing about handoffs), but handoff p20 refers to p13. However i missed the p20 bit about modifiers: Catching a hand-off +1 modifier. So with a special modifier, its not accurate therefor no Diving Catch.
I suddenly dislike the skill

Regash wrote:
lunchmoney wrote:A Hand Off is not a Pass so cannot be an Accurate Pass.
That is 100 % correct.
You only have ONE pass action per turn but you can hand off and pass in the same turn.
Therefore, a hand off can never be a pass.

spubbbba · Post by **spubbbba** » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:09 pm

Diving catch was for a long time a joke skill.

Under crp it is kind of useful, but really falls into the "nice to have but not worth the TV" category. If you start with it like Slann catchers do then it will help you out on occasion. But most players with agility access have better choices or might be worth firing and replacing with a rookie by that stage.

It is a shame that the passing game is not that viable, especially for AG3 teams.

sann0638 · Post by **sann0638** » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:37 pm

Skill 4 or 5 on a human catcher for me.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:29 am

Sorry for the thread necro

I am going to be starting a slann team so was reading up on diving catch.

It seems to me that a player with AG5, diving catch and nerves of steel (applicable to pro elf catchers as well) will never not catch a ball, as they will always need a 1+

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BillyDee · Post by **BillyDee** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:35 am

A roll of one is always a fail (as a roll of 6 is always successful, regardless of modifiers).

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:05 am

TomB wrote:It seems to me that a player with AG5, diving catch and nerves of steel (applicable to pro elf catchers as well) will never not catch a ball, as they will always need a 1+

A 1 will be your only enemy.

And if you put Kickoff Return on that player ... he'll catch 95%+ of all Kick-offs that land on your side of the field on a 2+

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:21 am

Thanks for the quick reply. I became confused by the catching table saying AG 6+ was a 1+ roll, and forgot a 1 always fails.

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Shushnik · Post by **Shushnik** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:48 am

Just pencil in a couple extra dots on the 'one' side of your dice and you're golden.

CyberedElf · Post by **CyberedElf** » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:54 pm

TomB wrote:It seems to me that a player with AG5, diving catch and nerves of steel (applicable to pro elf catchers as well) will never not catch a ball, as they will always need a 1+

As mentioned, a 1 always fails, but you are not accounting for the possibility of Disturbing Presence when you said "always." Four Nurgle warriors and a beast within 3 squares will still make that player need a six. Nerves of Steel ignores tackle zone modifiers, but not all modifiers.

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