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Can you shadow a shadowing player?
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:09 am
by Mike_Black
A and C are from your team. C has shadowing.
B is from the opposing team and has shadowing.
If A dodges away and B is shadowing successfully, can C shadow B?
The LRB wrote:The player may use this skill when an opposing player moves
out of his tackle zone.
What do you think?
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:34 am
by Circular_Logic
Considering the plain text, I would say yes...
Even though the move is out of order.
But I´m curious about PbeM-Loops that could be created by lucky dice and alot of shadowing
Another interesting question about this:
Would Player C lose a point of movement, or is this a free move??
Else you could use it to gain free movement.
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:37 am
by Dave
you can, same with shadowing some pass blockers...
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:40 am
by Mike_Black
I think he don't loses movement.
The LRB wrote:..., and it has no effect on his own movement in his own team turn.
So i think yes you could use it to gain free movement.
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:45 am
by Dave
yess you can.. lotsa fun, believe me
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:46 am
by Dave
whoops double post.
shadow the guy that is gona blitz your reciever, then score with the guy that shadowed the blitzer... good for a laugh
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 11:48 am
by Asmodan
Yeah you can shadow both shadowers and pass blockers.
Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:35 pm
by sean newboy
Wont slow down the shadower tho, they dont make any dodge rolls to shadow.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:47 am
by Vargtass
Can you also shadow a pushback? Or must the opponent move (implying a movement action of some sort)?
Vargtass
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:41 am
by Asmodan
Not quite sure what you meant but if you menat if you could shadow an opponent another of your player pushed back the answer is no.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:42 am
by DoubleSkulls
According to the rules you can shadow anything that leaves your TZ. So push backs, follow ups, TTMs, Leaps, Shadowers, Pass Blockers, anything at all.
A bit daft if you ask me. You should only be able to shadow the "active" player.
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:02 pm
by Old Man Draco
Allthough shadowing anything that moves, I agree with Ian. You should only be able to follow up the active player. How does the rest of you feel about that?
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:48 pm
by Joaquim
I would say that "moving" and "being pushed" are two different things.... and, so, even "shadowing off your TZ" can be different from "moving"....
My best guess is: if the other player leaved "by himself" you can shadow him... that includes shadowing players, or pass blockers.
if not you cann't.... like a prone player avoiding a Death-roller, or any block wich results in push...
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:13 pm
by Darkson
On a related not, take the following:-
xAB
xx1
A and B both have shadowing. If 1 dodges away, obvously only 1 can shadow, but if A fails the roll, can B still try?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:29 am
by Vargtass
You interpret my question correctly. From the above discussion, I would have guessed no, as a pushback is not a movement. The answers so far seem inconclusive, however.
Now, I have had time to check the LRB: LRB, p 36, says: The player may use this skill when an opposing player moves out of his tackle zone. This is an active statement, as opposed to "is moved out of". So, I would favour that shadowing can't be used.
If the shadowing player may shadow on a pushed opponent (pushed by another of my players) this will open up oppurtunities for one-turn scorers, for example. It may also prove a nice way of getting out of a boxed situation with a shadowing ball-carrier.
And, btw, "If a player has left the tackle zone of several players that have the Shadowing skill, then only one of the opposing players may attemt to shadow him" (LRB p 36: Shadowing)
Vargtass