Push Back vs Stand Firm

bluetooth · Post by **bluetooth** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:24 am

Okay, a player blocks another player and the result is a push back. The "pushed back player" also has players behind him. Normally it would mean one of the players (behind the pushed back player) would also be pushed back.
...but what happens, if the players behind the "pushed back dwarf" have stand firm? Are the players pushed back?

The situation in PlayCreator
Push Back vs Stand Firm

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:29 am

The Stand Firm guy won't budge, so the player being punshed in to him won't feel happy but he remains in his square as well! If more spots are available with players in them without Stand Firm, then the one pushing back the player can still choose to push him into the player with Stand Firm if he wants to!

grotemuis · Post by **grotemuis** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:32 am

draco forgot to mention this hasn't been clarified. But as always common sense prevails and draco shows he has enough of that

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:00 pm

As it is used now stand firm only works if its the primary player being pushed has it, and not if the second or third (or more) has it.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:04 pm

And this is IMHO totally ridiculous. I see no difference in the fact if a player is be pushed by a blocker or by a pushed player. He just won't move!
But Grotemuis is right, let's wait and here what the BBRC has to say (if any and it is not skipped till next year!)

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:12 pm

I totally agree with Draco, it shouldn't matter if the player is pushed back in first or second instance.

Although this matter isn't covered officially, this would be the way I would handle this as well ...

bluetooth · Post by **bluetooth** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:38 pm

Agree. It's just silly, if the SF player doesn't move when he is blocked, but does if he's pushed back indirectly.

Hope the rule will be changed. Good to know what the official ruling is now, though.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 12:51 pm

Asmodan wrote:As it is used now stand firm only works if its the primary player being pushed has it, and not if the second or third (or more) has it.

Here comes the backup! This is my interpretation too - the only way to budge SF players is with secondary pushes.

I can see Draco's point, but the rules aren't clear.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:17 pm

Well, that's interesting, and finally one area in which sidestep is more useful than Stand Firm.

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:00 pm

Against Strip Ball Stand Firm is more usefull

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:53 pm

How's that??

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 11:10 pm

Kheldar wrote:Against Strip Ball Stand Firm is more usefull

Both Frenzy and Strip Ball work against SF players. The player is still pushed. The fact he doesn't move is irrelevant.

Post by **Dave** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:26 pm

that's as true as it's nasty

'Ed Basha' · Post by **'Ed Basha'** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:50 pm

I can see a fluff reason for the indirect push back....look at like this...SF means that the guy getting hit sets himself against the block and is impossible to shove around...on the fly, he can be knocked a yard or two over by a stumbling teamate before he gets a chance to stand his ground...

That being said, I don't give a whoop how it's played.

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:57 am

Thats new to me. Thought The move at the pushback was the important thing with strip ball. Could be that I'm wrong with that.