Stand Firm

[joker]

Stand Firm (TRAIT) - A player with this skill is never pushed back as the result of a block. He may completely ignore PUSH BACK results from the block dice, and a KNOCK DOWN result always knocks the player over in the square he started in. In addition, the player does not fall over if he fails a dodge roll, instead he remains upright in the square that he was dodging from and a turnover does not take place. A player with Stand Firm will still loose the ball from a PUSH BACK result from an opponent with Strip Ball.

and a KNOCK DOWN result always knocks the player over in the square he started in.

that's not very clear for me, i cant be push if i decide to not use the skill ?

ps : sorry if anyone answer this question, but didnt found it with search engine

[sean newboy]

If u choose not to use the skill, u can be pushed. Note also that current belief is that u can be pushed as a secondary pushback, whether u want to or not.

[Wonder]

If u choose not to use the skill, u can be pushed. Note also that current belief is that u can be pushed as a secondary pushback, whether u want to or not.

Since secondary pushback has to be determined "as if player was pushback by a block", I would say that a stand firm player cannot be pushed by either a primary or secondary pushback, unless the coach agrees.

I have a second thought in mind : since stand firm is a trait, it is not a skill and then, permanently available (where a skill might be used only once per turn). So maybe, you haven't the choice to be pushed or not - thinking of Frenzy, where you haven't the choice.

[DoubleSkulls]

So maybe, you haven't the choice to be pushed or not - thinking of Frenzy, where you haven't the choice.

Frenzy specifically states that you have to use it.

[cani]

Since secondary pushback has to be determined "as if player was pushback by a block", I would say that a stand firm player cannot be pushed by either a primary or secondary pushback, unless the coach agrees.

I can't find anywhere in the LRB where it states a secondary pushback has to be determined as if the player was pushed by a block.

Rather it simply states that: "...the player is pushed into an occupied square, and the player that originally occupied the square is pushed back."

And in the stand firm skill it states: "A player with this skill is never pushed back as a result of a block."

Since the push back occurs as the result of another pushback and not a block, the stand firm trait cannot be used.

If it where the other way around, you could actually end up with a situation, where you would not be able to push the player blocked back as all spaces are occupied with stand firm players.

[kadu-c]

I agree with you Cani, but the problem is when you have a player with the Side Step skill, you can choose your square on a secondary pushback. So why not with Stand Firm ?
However it's true that it would have been nice that the BBRC precised this point in the Rules Review

[BadMrMojo]

I agree with you Cani, but the problem is when you have a player with the Side Step skill, you can choose your square on a secondary pushback. So why not with Stand Firm ?
However it's true that it would have been nice that the BBRC precised this point in the Rules Review

To represent this ability, his coach may choose which square the player is moved to when he is pushed back, rather than the opposing coach.

Stand firm says as a part of a block and sidestep doesn't. Hence the arguable difference. Also, Standfirm should be optional. Being a trait means you can use it as many times as you wish in a turn, not that you must use it when applicable.