Fouling Question

dakkakhan · Post by **dakkakhan** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 2:41 am

I couldn't beleive this when I heard it, but please help me explain it to those in my league.

FOULING:
the belief is that Defensive assists have to be adjacent to the Victim, not the Fouler.

the wording is vague because it says that "other players that are adjacnet to the victim and not in a tacklezone can assist adding +1 to the roll. Defending players may also give defensive assists to the player that is being fouled."

Please tell me they must be adjacent to the fouler, not the victim, right?

X. . O
XVFO
X. . O

If the (F)ouler is on team X, he can get 3 assists when fouling the (V)ictim, however the O's lend defensive assists, right?

Next scenario,
O. . X
OVFX
O. . X
they were making it out that if the (F)ouler was on team X then the O's could assist V, but the X's were too far away to assist F. X's cannot assist F as they are not adjacent to the Victim, but can the victim's teammates assist them if they are only adjacent to the victim?

slup · Post by **slup** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:18 am

It is as you thought it would be.
Defensive assists has to be next to the player who is fouling (F in your case).
Fouling assists are worked out the same way that blocking assists are worked out except that you cannot use guard when fouling.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 7:30 am

The way I read the rules it says that the assist is being made by players who are a adjacent to the victim. That means that any defensive assists should also be adjacent to the victim.

So in your example 1 F gets 3 assists from X but V does not get any assist from O. Foul is made with a 4+.

Example 2: F gets no assists from X but V gets 3 assists from O. Foul is made with a -2.

That's the way I read the rules, but I'm sure Ian or Darkson will pop in here and give the real meaning of the rules!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Dec 22, 2003 9:26 am

Fouling assists work in exactly the same was as blocking assists. i.e. you must be next to the opposition player involved to give an assist, and not in the TZ of another opposition player.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:51 pm

That means my explanation is correct!

dakkakhan · Post by **dakkakhan** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:09 pm

Yep, Draco, you were spot on.

thanks guys. I think it's just a matter of very lame interpretation. there can be no other way, but the actualy wording does allow for defensive assists from players next to the Victim, and not the Fouler.

I know you're right. I appreciate you giving my sanity a check.

Mike_Black · Post by **Mike_Black** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:01 am

@ Draco: No

If we assume the same rules for assisting as used while blocking than this would mean:

X. . O
XVFO
X. . O

F gets -3 form the 3 O's and +3 from his 3 guys X = +-0 assists

O. . X
OVFX
O. . X

Here, F would get no bonus from his guys as they are not next to the (V)ictim and the O's will not give assist as they are not next to the blocker = +-0 assist

mikeyc222 · Post by **mikeyc222** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:25 pm

Mike_Black wrote:@ Draco: No

If we assume the same rules for assisting as used while blocking than this would mean:

X. . O
XVFO
X. . O

F gets -3 form the 3 O's and +3 from his 3 guys X = +-0 assists

O. . X
OVFX
O. . X

Here, F would get no bonus from his guys as they are not next to the (V)ictim and the O's will not give assist as they are not next to the blocker = +-0 assist

i would like to second this. this explanation is the only way "fouling assists work in exactly the same was as blocking assists."
it would make no sense at all to have defensive assists from players that aren't even near the fouler.

Furelli · Post by **Furelli** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:07 pm

@Mike_Black : almost right.

Both fouls would be at +1 because the fouler adds this by default.

Furelli

mikeyc222 · Post by **mikeyc222** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:54 pm

true, but i believe mike_black was simply refering to assit bonuses and not the bonus for the actual foul since that was what the question was refering to.

Mike_Black · Post by **Mike_Black** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:50 pm

Thats right and thats why I wrote "+-0 assists"