Doubles on a Chaos Dwarf

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:45 am

Stand Firm!!!

Circular_Logic · Post by **Circular_Logic** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:50 pm

So I will speak against the crowd:
DIVING TACKLE!!
Get 2 of those and every elf will hate them.

Lofwyr · Post by **Lofwyr** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:21 pm

I know many players who prefer dodge over stand firm.
I think it´s more important to stay on your feet than to fall down without beeing pushed back

Without dodge even a gwarf is not absolutely secure and in bloodbowl theres nothing better than blodge.

This does not mean that stand firm is a bad skill, either choice is good.
I just wanted to give you something else to think of than sf.

Tobi

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:34 pm

dwarves often play dwarves, thus dodge is of very, very limited use. nothing can counter Stand Firm, Tackle can counter Dodge, 'nuff said.

JJB · Post by **JJB** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:56 pm

Against diving tackle:

That skill is actually useful if you can manage to put the diving tackler on the path of players who intend to dodge. A player with ma4 ag2 is not likely to move very far on the pitch. Having two of them will still not have a big reach.
So giving diving tackle to a CD is closest thing to a complete waste in my opinion.
If that were to a human blitzer, I would reconsider that. But to a CD, you might as well give him diving catch then...

Dodge is my second choice, but in view of the arguments above, stand firm, for a first double on a given player, remains the best investment by far.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:29 pm

i don't agree, i actually think diving tackle is a good idea on dwarves. but i would keep that idea for long beards in dwarf teams.

JJB · Post by **JJB** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:20 am

Gus wrote:i don't agree, i actually think diving tackle is a good idea on dwarves. but i would keep that idea for long beards in dwarf teams.

So do you have a method to make a couple of dwarves keep up with the fast moving players with the ball? Sorry to appear a bit sarcastic, but I'd like to know about it - playing wood elves against lizardmen, I've had no problem dealing with 2-3 SKINKS with diving tackle, and skinks a bit more mobile than dwarves. Same against 2 norse catchers with DT while I was playing high elves. And my opponents in those two games were quite good. And I am not that skilled at BB.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:03 am

in fact, when there's DT on 3 or so dwarves, it becomes very hard, if you manage it well, for your opponent to get this extra support from "mobile" elves when there's a 1/2 chance he'll fall his dodge roll...

Circular_Logic · Post by **Circular_Logic** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:42 am

In addition, it forces his fragile woodies to stay near your dwarves, so your cas-rate increases.

kadu-c · Post by **kadu-c** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:52 pm

Take Leap of course... It can be useful and make the difference on those critical moments...

Rufio of Montrose · Post by **Rufio of Montrose** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:11 pm

Standfirm, then break tackle.

I have one, good old reliable

Orin · Post by **Orin** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:14 pm

While dodge keeps dwarves on their feet longer, a couple of unmovable players (possibly with guard as well) makes for a defense that's a lot tighter. A lot of times, the opponent doesn;t have to knock a player over to make a hole in the line; a pushback is often enough. You can counter that with SF.

I also like 2 SF players on LOS, it keeps the opponent from taking down the players on the LOS one at a time.

TuernRedvenom · Post by **TuernRedvenom** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:07 am

I also think stand firm is better than dodge on dwarf longbeards/CD blockers. Dodge is better for players you really don't won't to see go down like runners. Stand Firm is better for players that need to hold a position, and if a longbeard goes down the chances of him going off the pitch are pretty small anyway, odds are he'll just get up and make a nuisance out of himself once more.