Chaos Dorf the other broken team.

[TuernRedvenom]

Just play any elf team, throw some line-elves against the BC's to pin them, beat up the hobgobs and avoid/run cricles around the CD's.

Break Tackle is the 1st skill for BCs....

strip ball is the first skill for the first blitzer that goes up a level

I agree tough that a Break Tackle, Sure Hands, Block Bull Centaur is a real pain in any elven ass

[MixX]

...a real pain in any elven ass

so are Wardancers, and not for their on-pitch skills...

[Dave]

lol

[juck101]

all blitzers should have block skill.
BC skill 1=block...


ok played them and enjoy games with them, but they are a bit fixed tactically. I would say i find them almost stuck to one type of game. Even more restrictive (but easy to decide) is the fixed nature of the role of each player.

Very few ways to adapt because ma4 and av7 respectivly limits your options even with skill development via a choose roll. this can be an advantage because i know without thinking who is bocking/moving/blitzing in my turn _irrespective of my oponent. few teams are that clear cut, and long term situation will not change.

So a counter arguement to "broken" claims i would say they are very beatable becasue you know what a Cdwarf team will do in its turn. a skilled player can manipulate a position where the monchrome team cannot make a play and you can win by executing your strategy, and restricting your oppenents

[Orange Julius]

I still maintain the position that the only good and overpowering Chaos Dwarf teams are the ones coached by good Blood Bowl coaches. One must know the intricacies of blocking to be able to run this team. Rookie coaches with CD teams get slaughtered. It is not a user friendly team. Much like the Lizzies...

[Gus]

all blitzers should have block skill.
BC skill 1=block...

you're so wrong :-/

[DoubleSkulls]

all blitzers should have block skill.
BC skill 1=block...

Nope, break tackle first. Mobility on the BCs is the key to a good CD team. I'm very happy playing against teams that don't have break tackle on the CDs because it means a lowly lineman can just man-mark them and stop them blitzing.

[Munkey]

all blitzers should have block skill.
BC skill 1=block...

Nope, break tackle first. Mobility on the BCs is the key to a good CD team. I'm very happy playing against teams that don't have break tackle on the CDs because it means a lowly lineman can just man-mark them and stop them blitzing.

Unless you are a Pro or Wood Elf, in which case you soon run out of lowly linemen

[IronAge_Man]

They are a bit good, but yes, only in the hands of a good coach. Their RRs should cost a bit more, to prevent frontloaded setups featuring both BCs and the Troll plus 3 RRs at TR100. 60k should do it.

[juck101]

not sure about BC without block first skill....

would rather (if) both BC zoned to use a dwarf to blitz from another place on the pitch. ma4 is rubbish but in a ruck mosty at least one dwarf can reach and use block skill. If not the case it favours the Cdwarf team to make 6blocks THEN free the BC and use block skill to bitz.

If you need a player down - use a 2dice blitz with block skill
If you hitting for the sake of it use a player who can not help in another way later in your turn.

- another possibe idea for block skill one on BC is to protect you. Ok st4 good but at 130k im sure if your oppnent is going to hit someone the BC is high on the list.

[DoubleSkulls]

not sure about BC without block first skill....

TBH this is probably why you don't think CDs are a great starting team. Giving them break tackle straight away gives you a 2 dice block anywhere within 9 squares of either BC - thats a lot of coverage.

[Gus]

it's amazing how people underestimate BT on mobile powerhouses, namely bull centaurs and sauri.

[Tim]

- another possibe idea for block skill one on BC is to protect you. Ok st4 good but at 130k im sure if your oppnent is going to hit someone the BC is high on the list.

And the best way of protecting them is dodging them out of tacklezones on a 2+.

When i play Chaos Dwarfs, i use the Bull Centaurs as Runners/Blitzers. If you go for Block first, a lowly 50k lineman can make sure that the Bull stays where he is. You just sacrificed a 130k powerhouse player to pound a lowly lineman. Bull Centaurs are mobile players, great runners once they have the ball, great blitzers and great defenders that cover a big part of the pitch, but only with break tackle. With Block they are Black Orcs Blockers with a lot useless MA.

You'll wonder how fast you get to the second skill, once you have aquired break tackle. These are my two BCs after only 11 games (together 16 TDs of 28 the team made):

Zaphod Surehoof, Bull Centaur: Break Tackle, Block (8 TDs, 24 SPP)
Urok Stompit, Bull Centaur: ST+, Break Tackle, Block (8TDs, 2 Cas, 1MVP, 33 SPP)

[Orange Julius]

After 19 games with my BC's...neither of which have Break Tackle, I have one Centaur with 12 TD's and the other with 2 TD's. I retired another BC with 40SPP's and 6TD's to lower my TR and because he aged.

Not that I don't think Break Tackle isn't a good skill. But it isn't the ONLY way to win with the Chaos Dwarfs. I usually do take it, but my good centaur rolled doubles twice and then extra MA....so I thought his 4th skill should be Block since I was breaking in a rookie BC beside him.

My record thru those 19 games is 13-6. The league had 6 teams that had already played at least one season when I jumped in with a new team. I lost in the finals 2-1 to a High Elf team with a 310TR vs my 190TR. I am 3-1 to start this season.

I think arguments can be made for both Block and Break Tackle. Neither will be wasted.

[Munkey]

I doubt Block could ever be called a wasted skill, but maybe sometimes a wasted opportunity...