first advancement for my stormvermin

Kundschafter · Post by **Kundschafter** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:08 am

Stand firm better than Dodge???

Let me think a while... NO! NEVER!! NEVER EVER!!!

One more word about the tactic:

Stormvermin is usually standing in a crowd. One of my Linerats blocks, SV gives assist. Then SV dodges and runs to another "Hot Spot", where he can give assist to another lineman (Hopefully by blocking the ballcarrier).

So what will be better? Stand firm or dodge?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 10:41 am

stand firm is way better than dodge. as a reminder, stand firm allows you not to flal over from a failed dodge, as well as never moving as a result of a block.

oh, and it cannot be cancelled by Tackle.

Kundschafter · Post by **Kundschafter** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:11 pm

But the chance to fall down when dodging isn't that high with AG 4. And as get blocked (and it happens often), the chance to keep standing after the action is higher with dodge.

In my eyes dodge is the first choice.

amadoris · Post by **amadoris** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:30 pm

i agree: dodge is better, is the 2nd best skill of the game after block. stand firm is very useful, but not so easy to take in agility teams.
yes, if i had a double roll on my stormvermin i'd think to dodge very much...

The Florist · Post by **The Florist** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:39 pm

People don't take tackle in your leagues?

amadoris · Post by **amadoris** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:53 pm

yes, sometimes. but there are 2 light teams and 5 bashy teams, so tackle is less useful than other skills...

Gus · Post by **Gus** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:08 pm

amadoris wrote:i agree: dodge is better, is the 2nd best skill of the game after block.

i could state in the same way that diving catch is teh uberestest skill in the game, that wouldn't make it true. i storngly disagree with that comment, especially considering there's nothing to back it up.

The Florist · Post by **The Florist** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:09 am

Be serious Gus, you can't suggest he's to take diving catch. Extra arms IS the best skill in the game.

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:26 am

Why thinking about things like dodge or Stand Firm. You can get so good mutations like claw, or fangs. Foul appaerance is good too for killing of the passsing game. And to the question about SF or Dodge, I would take Stand Firm, so you can stay at the sidelines.

MY CHOICE CLAWOR FOUL APPAERANCE!!!

amadoris · Post by **amadoris** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:35 am

i agree with kheldar, i said dodge is very good in general, for every team, without considering mutations and racial skills. everyone can take dodge, not so many teams can take the physical...

Kundschafter · Post by **Kundschafter** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:43 pm

What?

Let us take another look at that stormvermin:

AG 4 Block, guard.

Now try to imagine a sequence in a game:
Your SV mostly stands in tacklezones of an enemy. My Linemen all have block, some are tacklers. In most of the cases you can block the enemy with SV as guard. His job is done. So he dodges from eventually other tacklezones and now tries to get to the next opponent, who is hopefully the ballcarrier. The Lineman next to this guy can now block too, cause the SV gives assist.

In some cases it is possible to blitz with him and it could make sense to have claw or stuff like that. But his mainjob is to give more than one assist in one turn.

I don't think, that there is an other way to play him more efficient.

So what do you think will be the best skill????

The Florist · Post by **The Florist** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:36 pm

Sure, if all you want to do with him is to help your team get stuck in against people you shouldn't get stuck in with in the first place.

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:30 pm

Its never bad to get new possibilities. And a guard will get hit very often, so Foul appearance gives him a chnce for not getting hit and wasting the opponents actions.

Kundschafter · Post by **Kundschafter** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:40 am

@florist:
I'm not sure, if I understood what you mean. But I think, you're not right. The games, where I get stucked in does not happen very often. And through blocking, I get some other players free, who stood in tacklezones before.

@Kheldar:
I already have an ugly lineman and in theory he only gets blocked in 5 of 6 times. In reality he gets blocked in 19 out of 20 cases. When I think, that dodge will be used nearly every turn, it is hard to find arguments for foul apperance. It could be one of the next, cause my vermin often stands beside the ballcarrier of the opponent.