Wardancer with -1 AG

datalorex · Post by **datalorex** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:24 pm

Let's not talk about skilling him up! That would be a waste if you had to do that.

I say keep him. I know many people's gut instinct is to sack him, but you have to look at the big picture. It'll take at least 2 games to get the money for another WD. So with him MNG, you may only have to play with him once before you can hire a new one. I know, YES he can win MVP, but what if the loner gets MVP? You don't want to hire him, do you? You'd have to wait 2 MORE games to save up again for a WD. And by then, the season would be virtually over (if not totally over).

You know, there's something liberating about not worrying about your WD dying or getting hurt...

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 1:01 am

As it is a 6 game league, I'd keep him. No time to get enough money to replace him.

Get some Catchers instead ...

sangraal · Post by **sangraal** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:34 am

I'd keep him as well, I know its comparing apples to oranges from a team perspective but he's basically an expendable ghoul with +1MA, Block & Leap. He might get a couple of CAS and/or an MVP - if he does you might as well roll for the upgrade - be funny if you actully got the 11

sangraal

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:41 am

Skill him up! Why not? 6 games isn't long enough to worry about replacing serviceable players. AG3 means you'll only Leap with him in desperation even with a re-roll, but if he gets Side Step or Tackle or any of a lot of skills, his AG won't matter much.

grampyseer · Post by **grampyseer** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:18 am

Absolutely KEEP him.
Even if you can scrape the cash together to replace him, what if someone else gets smushed?

Ag 3 is not that bad. Remember, lots of teams have a functional AG of 2 on many players.

If you can afford a fresh one in two games, and haven't taken any other serious injuries THEN you should replace him.

Ag3 is fine..........If he gets an AV reduction on the other hand

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Snew · Post by **Snew** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:31 pm

You people have absolutely no idea what you're talking about! Plain and simple. I just finished a season where I kept a -1AG Gutter Runner highly skilled and handy as hell still but the problem was that I ran that sucker like he was someone elses horse. He was always out there and in the open and just plain in the right place to score when I needed it. He also rolled more 2s than any other player I've ever seen. It's like that 1 AG point gave him No-Hands.

Mad Jackal · Post by **Mad Jackal** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:34 pm

I'd rather play with a leaping blodger with no hands than nothing at all.

Which was the other option given the amount of money on hand.

Aliboon · Post by **Aliboon** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:39 pm

Seeing as the season is just 6 games, I too would keep him, at least until I could replace him-everything that Mad Jackal has said is true and he does know his Woodies.

And there is a massive difference between keeping a ST3 blodger on an elf team as opposed to a ST2 (presumeably blodger) on a skaven team.

You don't need him to handle the ball, you've 10 other players for that (whereas the skaven just has the other grunners and maybe the throwers). You need him as LOS fodder or as a standard blitzer type who can dodge if he really needs to, but shouldn't by choice (just like all other AG3 dodgers imo).

Mad Jackal · Post by **Mad Jackal** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:46 pm

Aliboon wrote:Seeing as the season is just 6 games, I too would keep him, at least until I could replace him-everything that Mad Jackal has said is true and he does know his Woodies.

Thanks for that I think. I do know MY Woddies. And I fully realize that I play woodies different than most.

6 game league, with 20k in the bank and either 10 or 11 other guys still seems like a no-brainer to me even when listening to the advice I'm given by other wood elf coaches who play the "right way".

You keep the guy now and play him on every drive and then when you have 120k you look at replacing him.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:52 pm

When you have 120k and 13 players including another WD, you think about replacing him. I'm skeptical about your ability to put that package together in 5 more games... you'll have to either have good money or few injuries to make that happen.

Frankly, an AG3 Wardancer is limited as a TD threat, but he's still the toughest bastard on your team (barring a Tree, of course). And every single elf on your team (including this guy) is a better scoring machine than many teams have. And since he now has to work twice as hard to earn his keep, you can feel good about doing things with him that you'd otherwise hate to do with Wardancers, like pegging down a key Blitzer (not one with Frenzy, Tackle or Wrestle).

A great thing about the Wardancer is that he can lose anything and not be too affected by it until you can afford to replace him. -MA makes him like everyone else (and still a two-turner), -ST makes him a slow, tough, leaping Catcher, -AG and he's still as good a groundpounder as you're going to get, and even though -AV is worse (AV6 suxx), his starting Blodge (and the fact that any WD is a foul-magnet anyway) minimizes the impact of the loss. Now two stat losses (any two), that would suck. But one ain't so bad.

stormmaster1 · Post by **stormmaster1** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:01 am

He is still a TD threat. He is MA8 and as Agile as most teams. Being AG3 may mean he gets left open a bit more, plus you will be more reckless with him as he is less than a new wardancer. Recklessness may lead to heroics, or it may lead to a very short lifespan.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:00 pm

stormmaster1 wrote:Recklessness may lead to heroics, or it may lead to a very short lifespan.

In my case it led to potential heroics but ultimately just a lot of dropped balls.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:21 pm

Poor Snew! That must have hurt!

Aliboon · Post by **Aliboon** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:25 pm

Thanks for that I think. I do know MY Woddies. And I fully realize that I play woodies different than most.

Unintentional pun I assure you...

Can't say I realised you played them different than most, but then I've never played your Gaston Rebels in the MBBL. How do you play them differently-do you try to hold off on scoring a bit so the opo gets less time for the equaliser?

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:32 pm

Draco wrote:Poor Snew! That must have hurt!

LOL! I think at least one of them was in a game against you. To be honest I think I proved out my axiom in ever game I played in that league. He looked so good on paper. After all he is/was still AG3 so what's the big deal? That and he rolled more POWs than anyone.... Alas, AG3 was a bigger deal than I thought.

I'd like to hear how this Wardancer plays out....