What to start a human team with?

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:03 pm

http://www.gamesworkshop.com/storefront ... abase=1601

These are the new Ogres you can order for a team.

My favorite Human starting roster is:

1 Thrower
2 Blitzers
1 Catcher
7 Lineman
4 Rerolls
6 FF

But I'm a risk taker...

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 3:08 pm

Bifi wrote:try to inflict the highest damage possible on opposing teams using the fact that they don't have an apothecary yet

The last thing I want to do is ruin my opponent's team and give the next person to play him an easy game.

The reason I like starting with an Ogre is that it takes him a while to skill up - especially if you are "lucky" and get a double 1st. Mine just took 10 games to get to his 2nd skill (Leader 1st, now Block).

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:06 pm

With Piling On working the way it does, it's actually pretty easy to get the 2nd skill for a big guy.

harley_topper · Post by **harley_topper** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:23 pm

With Piling On working the way it does, it's actually pretty easy to get the 2nd skill for a big guy.

True...I always choose piling on first, cause this will boost your big guy and soon he'll get the second skill roll.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:47 pm

Skummy wrote:With Piling On working the way it does, it's actually pretty easy to get the 2nd skill for a big guy.

ECBBL plays before Av roll and I didn't want to waste the double. Under normal rules I'd have taken PO before Block.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:58 pm

Ian, I understand why you did it, I just don't agree that it takes a while for the Ogre to skill up.

JasonC · Post by **JasonC** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:12 pm

bluetooth wrote:I like Harley's lineup but I would replace one lineman with an apothecary.

That would only leave you with 10 players.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:33 pm

Dark Lord wrote:I've concluded that nobody throws blocks or fouls in Zombie's league because that team would be disintegrated in mine.

With a 5 FF and 4 ST players and no block any decent coach here would cripple it in about 5 or 6 turns.

With no tackle, no dirty player and very little block? How? You'll have a hard time just puting the catchers down. Remember that this is a starting team, and meant to play against other starting teams.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:35 pm

Skummy wrote:Dodge will help the catchers, but they do have a 7 AV. It's chancy, but it would pay off handsomely in the long run.

Exactly! And that's what i'm always after when building up a team, the long term. That's why i said that high RR and high FF and the two most important factors when starting a new team.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:38 pm

ianwilliams wrote:
Zombie wrote:Play them like cheap elves
Does that even work? AG3 is not AG4. I mean I fail too many dodges with AG4 I wouldn't like trying a stand off defence with an AG3 team.

As Dark Lord said, I don't think you'd ever get that team to work at the ECBBL - too many tackle happy coaches make human catcher go pop.

The fact that you have five team rerolls, and 12 skill rerolls, helps a lot. And playing like elves doesn't mean dodging all the time. My wood elves fight it out whenever the opportunity arises. Playing like elves means using the passing game to score in two turns everytime.

And like i said, people aren't gonna have tackle in their first game. By the time they have it, my catchers will have block.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:54 pm

Zombie wrote:
Dark Lord wrote:I've concluded that nobody throws blocks or fouls in Zombie's league because that team would be disintegrated in mine.

With a 5 FF and 4 ST players and no block any decent coach here would cripple it in about 5 or 6 turns.
With no tackle, no dirty player and very little block? How? You'll have a hard time just puting the catchers down. Remember that this is a starting team, and meant to play against other starting teams.

How?

Well, let's see. Just about any team out there starts with enough blitzers to get 2 dice, attacker's choice with block on every one of those catchers. And if they target them individually it's no prob to get 3 dice against.

And DP is hardly necessary to crunch one or two of them each half.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:37 am

Zombie wrote:The fact that you have five team rerolls, and 12 skill rerolls, helps a lot. And playing like elves doesn't mean dodging all the time. My wood elves fight it out whenever the opportunity arises. Playing like elves means using the passing game to score in two turns everytime.

And like i said, people aren't gonna have tackle in their first game. By the time they have it, my catchers will have block.

How do you intend stopping them scoring?

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:42 am

Zombie wrote:Playing like elves means using the passing game to score in two turns everytime.

This is the best thing I've heard all day.

So you go up against a bashing team, receive the ball, score on turn 2, and then...what?

Duh? Try that on me or anybody else with half a year of Blood Bowl experience. Like I said, apparently nobody in your league, throws blocks or tries to injure players. You score in 2 turns on me and I have the ball for the rest of the game while I crush your tu-tu wearing Ag 4 pansies into the pitch. I'll win 2-1 and you'll be setting up 4 or 5 players for your next game.

Bifi · Post by **Bifi** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:08 am

berserker wrote:If you need only one ogre, Morg 'n Torg is also fine

Yeah, I think so. Thx.

Bifi · Post by **Bifi** » Wed Jun 25, 2003 11:13 am

Skummy wrote:These are the new Ogres you can order for a team.

Thanks, they are wonderful. BTW, is there any difference in statistics between the Ogre Blocker and Ogre Thrower?