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Lizzies are super bashy too. Only team with access to 6 strength 4, and a strength 5 Bg. Only downside: those strength 2 skinks. But hey they have dodge and stunty so they can stay out of the fray (or so lizard coaches hope). That and skinks are great at getting in tight places to cancel/give assists.
Don't be fooled, Dwarves are basher than anyone. They may not have as much strength as the teams you listed, but they do have Block, Tackle and Thick Skull on just about everyone on thier team as well as a 9 armor on nearly thier entire team.
Oh, and they can all take strength skills too. Can you imagine a dwarven line with all complete with Block/Tackle/Guard/Mighty Blow/Standfirm/Thick Skull?
Early on Dwarfs have the edge sure. Later on, when the other Strength Access teams have Block, Guard, (Claw), and Mighty Blow on their players?
Nope.
That's because there is a finite limit to how bashy you can get with skills alone - before you need additional ST. Dwarfs start ahead with Block and Thick Skull and that helps in the short run, but Chaos and Nurgle win out later on. Because at the point where you're picking specialty skills they've picked all the skills to equalise with you and have higher ST players. Add Claw and a Mino/BoN into the mix and Dwarfs get overwhelmed, especially because Dwarfs cannot pick Claw. Which is where Chaos Dwarfs also get an Edge over Dwarfs.
Khemri can also hold their own as well because they're so effcient at fouling. AV9 doesn't mean anything when you're on your back and a quad of skeletons are putting the boot in.
Bashiest team I've seen played? Developed Nurgle:- 6-8 players with a combination of Block, Guard, Stand Firm, Claw, Mighty Blow with 60K DP Linemen fouling anything that hits the floor isolated.
As others eluded to, some teams are bashier early-on, others are bashier later in a league.
Early bashy - probably not a complete list:
Dwarves, Khemri, Norse, Orcs. As fen mentioned, Dwarves are extremely bashy early-on, but get out-bashed later in the league. Same with Norse IMO. Orcs are pretty bashy, but the lack of Block on the BoBs hurts them.
Late bashy - again, probably not a complete list:
Chaos, Nurgle, Khemri, Orcs, Ogres. Once these teams get skilled-up, they can become really bashy. Chaos and Nurgle: Block, guard, Mighty Blow and Claw. Orcs and Ogres: Block, guard, Mighty Blow, Multiple Block for the Ogres. Khemri: Block, guard, Mighty Blow, Dirty Player on skeletons, multiple block on Mummies.
You will notice that Khemri and Orcs are on both lists. Orcs to a lesser extent early-on, but they can be pretty mean later in a league.
And don't forget Goblins. These poor little gits are often forgotten. With all the secret weapons they can get in their roster, if you keep a low TV to get star secret weapons and bribes, you can cause a tremendous amount of destruction. Get Sneaky Git (although not sure of its effectiveness, but on Gobbos, I'd get a few).
I have the same opinions as pretty much everyone else.
Dwarves early, Orcs, khemri, ogres and chaos dwarves. Norse for about 6 or so games.
Later it's all about chaos. Claw/MB/PO. Turning av9 into AV7 is huge when you have MB. PO is just sick after that. Nurgle to a lesser extent but still up there later.
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I dunno Urb, from my experience it's always been developed Nurgle that's come out ahead in the Chaotic face off. The Beast of Nurgle, Foul Appearance, Regenerate on key players and cheap fouling linemen gives them the edge in a straight one on one fight.
Foul Appearance in particular can sometimes decimate other teams bashing attempts.
Good points. I think the quality/experience of the nurgle players in my area is alot less than in yours. I've never had troubles taking apart a nurgle player here but I can see how cheap fouling fodder makes a difference. The advantage I always have is skilling faster. Everyone being a str4 blitzer too. Block/MB is usually enough to take apart nurgle for me.
Once again vs a more skilled opponent I can see how chaos would lose vs nurgle. Good to get everyones perspective.
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No argument on the skilling up speed of Nurgle. The Pestigors and Beast skill up fast, but the Rotters and Nurgle Warriors are sloooow. The Nurgle coach I know actually spends time handing off the ball to Nurgle Warriors in order to skill them up, but they're no Chaos Warrior.
I wouldn't put Norse in the top 4. AV7 hurts a bit too much for that.
As far as starting/early leagues go, I don't think anyone is bashier than Dwarves, with Block all round, nice AV9 and a few guarders.
Later on I'd think Chaos/Nurgle, but haven't played them, nor against them at high TR, so that's just going from the rosters.
bouncergriim wrote:Lizzies are super bashy too. Only team with access to 6 strength 4, and a strength 5 Bg. Only downside: those strength 2 skinks. But hey they have dodge and stunty so they can stay out of the fray (or so lizard coaches hope). That and skinks are great at getting in tight places to cancel/give assists.
Don't forget to give your skinks Guard! All those little guys swarming around lending Guard assists to those ST 4 saurus and ST 5 kroxigor really boost their effectiveness!
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On a doubles roll there are a lot of good skills to give skinks. Not sure I would go with guard though, as the saurus skill up they won't need the help as much as they will need good ball handlers.
As many already have pointed out before, Dwarfs certainly is the most bashy team in a starting league. Dwarf Blockers come with all the essential blocking skills. Complete team comes with Strength access and AV9. A poor opponent will let his team being swarmed by the Dwarfs, which is very hard to escape from.
Orcs also do a nice job! In my league, Orcs and Dwarfs average 3 CAS/game after about 10 games (Dwarfs 8 games, Orcs 14 games). Rely on the Orc Blitzers to do some damage. The Black Orcs take ages before they become reliable Blockers.
Teams like Chaos, Nurgle and Lizardmen all have nice potential, but it will take them +20 games before they have skilled up a bit. By this time, the Orcs and Dwarfs already stacked up a lot of CAS's! Get your Orcs and Dwarfs Mighty Blow, and they're not even worse than Chaos on long term.
Norse has some nice damage skills, but AV7 is just a too big handicap in the war of attrition. They might cause a lot of damage on Skaven / Elfs, but against high AV teams it's not a good strategy to go for the scrum.µ
Khemri might be the ultimate bash team. But prepare for losing a lot of AV7 Skellies and for tough ball handling.
In the end, I think Orcs are the most fun bash team. They're not as slow as Dwarfs, allow for a lot of development potential, are good to start with, have a lot of variation in team composition and have comfortable stats to allow for some serious board battles!
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The Nurgle coach I know actually spends time handing off the ball to Nurgle Warriors in order to skill them up, but they're no Chaos Warrior.
