Wich "stompy" team to play ?

[JaM]

Hi all,

The local scen seems to have changed over the years. Last season there were just a few players (8 IIRC) with a Dwarf team, 2 Necros, 2 Orcs, and some AG-teams. The years before that most players with bash a lot and foul a lot, too.

This season it's even "worse"; 2 Slann, a WE team, humans, gobs, norse, DE, Skaven...
The scene seems to shift to AG-teams, instead of the STR based league we used to have for years.
I like balance, however.

I personally dont have the time to play this season, but I will probably play again the next.
I want to field something bashy then, and will probably pick one of the 3 teams listed in the poll.
I have thease teams already (painted and all) and enjoyed using the CDs a lot a few years back (in league, not in tournaments ).

So, I want to help "develop" players their game by giving them a primarily bash team to play against. I am *not* doing this to "help" them with their TV, but beacuse I think a league should have a variety of playing styles.

Please vote !

Or, if there are any other teams out there you think I SHOULD use, tell me !

Cheers,

JaM

[Digger Goreman]

Wow!, it's nearly all "gouda"....

I said Nurgle, not for bash (though it can) but to help shut down the passing games.... Otherwise, suggest you bring a clothespin and a lot of patience... maybe a good book while waiting for snake-eyes to fall....

[JaM]

Hey, these are new players. I am tying to teach them to play "decently", or at least advocate it. Recently they started playing with illegal procedure, and I wondered if I should start a team without rerolls...

Digger I understand your "problems" with some of the teams, and I think you're a decent fellow, but not everyone can and will play Necronamtic.
Thank God (or Nuffle). variety is the spice of the game, etc. etc. And some players enjoy the pickup-run-pass-dodge-catch-score dance, in whatever sequence they come.

The scene is nowadays actually far better than previous. All you could find then were Undead, Dwarfs, Orcs and Chaos. Playing anything with some kind of AG and no MB would see your team demolished pretty far. No getting up to lick your wounds and getting an "easy" game (as in "not demolishing your whole team" easy).
Of course this was a LRB or 2 ago (or 3 ? Cant remember! Getting old ...).


But Nurgle will be considered, I so far like all the threads written about that team.
Thanks !

[nazgob]

be warned that nurgle is a tough, tough start. especially against experienced teams. and that a decent elf passer can lob the ball from outside your disturbing presence range, over your players, and into the hands of a catcher outside your disturbing presence range.

that said, they are very fun and characterful. just don't do what one of the coaches in my league managed in his first game. he suffered 7 casualties in the one game, including a dead beast of nurgle.

team restart

[Aliboon]

Wow!, it's nearly all "gouda"....

Yawn, change the record Digger, if its not Necro (which suprisingly enough you play...) or one of the lower tier teams, it's cheese right?

Under LRB6: Necro highest win % @ 57.5%...

http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/LRB6Stats.htm

Now I can't be bothered into arguing the stat's validity etc, but if you can provide a better statistical source as to why the teams you don't like/play are cheesy (and the ones which you do, aren't), I'd love to see it. Opinion is opinion, nothing more.

AG 4 teams might find it easy handling the ball (but they're expensive and fragile), high AV teams might not get hurt (but then they are generally slow). All block teams have a great initial advantage, (but lose that as the league goes on). Necro teams look pretty poor on paper, but they have speed (wolves and ghouls) and cheap linefodder (zombies, arguably the best linefodder in the game) so are nicely min/maxed.

Each (tier 1 at least) team has its strengths and weaknesses and I think Galak and the LRB have done a pretty good job balancing them.

Anyway, back to topic...

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic JaM:

So, I want to help "develop" players their game by giving them a primarily bash team to play against. I am *not* doing this to "help" them with their TV (lower it? by deaths!?), but beacuse I think a league should have a variety of playing styles.

But if you want to win, play something with plenty of tackle-CDs would be good.

[JaM]

No, I dont do sarcastic . At least, not well, in writing. On TFF. Or TBB. I do do interpunction(s) though. A lot. Lately. It seems. ...

No, seriously: help. Not demolish/kill/maim/burn/whatever, but teach them how to play a decent blocking game. And give them an opportunity to indeed fear for their team...

And I do like winning (most of us do probably) but I dont mind losing. As long as I had a decent game against a fun opponent.
If the opponent isnt fun I dont have a problem to indeed (try to) hurt his team bad. But I'm in it to make sure the game is fun .

[Aliboon]

Well, if you're trying to teach them against pure bash, Nurgle is the way to go I'd say. The other teams have more options to run it or pass it.

[mattgslater]

I voted Chaos Dwarfs. Punish them for all/almost all playing Dodge-intensive teams. You don't need much ST to out-ST them all. I mean, you should still play like a gentleman and be out to teach. But there's a valuable lesson in league balance.

Nurgle would be my second choice on that list.

[Digger Goreman]

Ok, in more of a training environment, you could go one of three ways:

1) Take something more mellow, and build into the anti-thesis of the prevalent Ag teams.... This will teach them to appreciate skills that will succeed against agility.... It will also show them the build curve of these teams....

2) Go ahead and take a team (probably nurgle) that has a lot of unforeseen skill/mutations and show them the ropes (and tentacles!).... This will bring them into a more full understanding of the game with exposure to a wider variety of less taken/quirky skills....

3) Play your faves... being Chaos Dwarves: not only will you enjoy it more, but this team packs more skills than the average BB player(s).... They should be competitive....

[mattgslater]

Wow!, it's nearly all "gouda"....

Don't tell me how good a coach you are when
playing any elves or dwarves, zons, norse,
khemri, lizardmen, nurgle, skaven, slann or
generic undead! My dead dog can win with
those teams....

You do realize that's 14 of 24 teams. Or, put another way, "Wow!, it's nearly all 'gouda'!" The others are Chaos, Chaos Pact, Goblins, Halflings, Humans, Necromantic, Ogres, Orcs, Vampires, Underworld Pact. I think the problem isn't an issue of balance, but of perception. I also think that Necromantic, Humans and Underworld Pact are at least as good as Norse, Nurgle or Khemri, and nearly or about as good as High Elves, Lizardmen or Slann. Orcs are better/cheesier than all those teams I just mentioned.

[Darkson]

[Mod Hat on - Right, if you want to discuss Digger's version of cheese, take it to another thread]

If they're all going AG, do the decent thing, take Dwarfs.

[Digger Goreman]

Sure I do, Matt, but let's not (further?) hijack this thread....

Really it's a symptom of gw's usual power creep, poor design (thank goodness LRB saved the bacon from 4th edition), and the will to power game....

Feel free to pm/email discuss....

And, since I've got a Master's attention: how bout some well thought out (as if you've ever written less than excellent treatments) articles about this "cult of position" and how to handle the vaunted easy Ag teams...?

(btw: half the list could be fixed with little nudges.... How I wish LRB could've rolled on....)

PS: Thanks, Darkson, I'd written the above at the same time... and I think Matt and I can do so....

[JaM]

Thanks Digger for that good informative post.
And Darkson for putting on a Mod Hat .
And the rest. Lot of good info actually.

The league will restart some time from now, so I've got plenty of time to think about wich team to take.

Dont stop posting advise though. Much appreciated

[Smeborg]

Chaos Dwarfs will perform better against all those dodgy teams, especially if built in a slayer style (but that does not appear to be your purpose).

However, on the criteria you gave, I chose Nurgle, because most of the teams in your league will struggle against Nurgle, and it will be an ideal learning process for them (and for you). The coaches will face the question: "What do I do now that my team can't do what it normally likes to do?" That is quite a difficult adjustment for most coaches.

All the best.

[JaM]

Allright, Nurgle it will be then.
Am curious to try some of those tactics that were discussed some time ago on this forum.
Will use the 4 warriors-1 pest-1beast-2 RR-team.

Probably named "The Unbearable Beings of Blightness" or*S*M*A*S*H* 1337th.
Or something weird in Dutch. Not sure yet.

Thanks !!

JaM