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Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:45 pm
by Der_Doodle
Hi everyone,

I think I need your help. I got in my league a game against Slann next and so far i have no real clue how to set my players in defense against them.
My Team:
4 BoB with 2xGuard
4 Blitzer with 2x Guard 1x Guard/MB one of the Guard only blitzers has AG2 but since he has 14 SPP i kept him for now
2 Thrower with Block each and 1 KoR
1 Troll with Block
1 Rookie Goblin

For Inducements i have 490k to spent. And i thought about either Ripper or Varag and for the other 200k either Wizard + Card or 2 Bribes.

Thanks in Advance

Doodle

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:49 pm
by inkpwn
After watching the orcs in my league constantly tear the slann a new frog hole I don't think your going to have any trouble at all.
Maybe lightning bolt the star piece and carry some bribes, though I have to say they are going to struggle against that troll, nice roll.

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:55 pm
by Der_Doodle
well its the rematch already the first one I lost 4-1 :( even making 3 CAS hasnt helped there much :( they just jumped over all players and scored quickly

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:08 pm
by inkpwn
Then break his very long legs! Our slann player (an excellent coach) has trouble with leap, even using it correctly and to a minimum the rolls and re-rolls just don't go his way :(

I would say aim for any player with an AG increase to get them of the pitch early, use that gobbo on the back line to one die block the catchers.

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:29 pm
by Greyhound
For me slann inducement = halfling chef. Less reroll = less leaping which in turns means mediocre human team.

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:39 pm
by inkpwn
Very true, just pray to nuffle you get those 4+'s how many rereolls do they have, 5?

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:21 pm
by Ullis
With the amount of inducements you're getting, I don't think that they'll be short of rerolls, at least to the point where you could shut down the leaping game that way as they will have skills for the other stuff such as blocking and dodging and maybe even ball handling.

I think your best bet is denying them easy access to your side of the pitch and marking them aggressively. You should have enough Guard and raw strength to make it hard for them to punch a hole in your line. The slann team isn't very fast so in order to score they need an unmarked receiver well into your own half with a clear lane (with one leap) to reach the end zone. And keep a blitzer as a safety.

You could use your inducements to increase your ST advantage. If the slann player is a fan of the side-line cage rush, then a wizard could be good. The goblin might not be enough to stop it if he gets blitzers to cover the catcher as well due to Diving Tackle.

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:31 pm
by Der_Doodle
The Masterchef is nearly useless.
The Slann team is kinda experienced with 5 Rerolls and mostlike the Fame advance cause of the Fan Factor and more Cheerleaders / Assistant Coaches then i have anyways. He wont run out of Rerolls
And in my first match against the slann the Chef made exactly 2 Reroll steals in 1 half and zero in the 2nd

is there ANY Defensive Formation that helps against Slann Jumping through your line?

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:59 pm
by inkpwn
Try a wide 'Y' shape formation one at the front 2 behind 2 squares away. Best to try it with BOB's at the front.

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:23 pm
by Gaixo
If you can cut him down to 2 or 3 rerolls, he will run out. I ran a very successful (by local standards) slann team, and there was no inducement I hated more than the chef. As said above, it causes slann to limit their leaps and play like any other team.

The top strategy, of course, is to spend as much time as possible on offense. any failed attempt to break your cage will result in multiple opportunities for you to hit his most important players.
Der_Doodle wrote:The Masterchef is nearly useless.
The Slann team is kinda experienced with 5 Rerolls and mostlike the Fame advance cause of the Fan Factor and more Cheerleaders / Assistant Coaches then i have anyways. He wont run out of Rerolls
And in my first match against the slann the Chef made exactly 2 Reroll steals in 1 half and zero in the 2nd

is there ANY Defensive Formation that helps against Slann Jumping through your line?

Re: Defense with Orcs against Slann

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:31 pm
by mattgslater
Defense against Slann? Run a standard "lockout" style defense, keep an extra safety. They're mobile, but not fast. Good die rolls will always beat you, sorry. Okay die rolls will tend to do it. You just have to scheme okay to take advantage of a failure.

But defense isn't your problem if you're losing 4-1. 4-1 means you're failing on offense. Normally I advocate a midfield cage, because you can force the opponent to front both sides or give you a lot of ground. But against Slann, use the KOR Thrower (who should have taken Accurate over Block, by the way, but can totally rectify at 31 SPP) to deliver the ball to a downfield wide cage (not necessarily sideline; your back/outside corner in the 6-column is fine), and screen that cage off. That way, you only need a protective screen on one or two sides of your X-cage, very manageable with BOBs, provided you position well. This creates a "bailey" which foils Leap so long as it remains intact. If you can induce Ripper, use a 3d Grab to get a hit on the midfielder so you can blitz a protected Catcher and hope to deal some damage. Controlling the offensive drive is Job One, as that will give you a fighting chance. In fact, offense is all you need if you're playing a 2-1 grind, which you should if you can keep your "bailey" intact. If it gets violated and you're open to better-than-desperate action, score and hope for a recovery.