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my fifth game of the league i am in and i played VS lizardmen with St4 saurus warriors and a Kroc. he just dominated the line and I could not seem to get any advantageous dice rolls.
he setup his line like this. i tried going for the middle and lost. i tried ignoring the line and go for skinks on the side, but stunty + dodge just let them slip by at anytime.

I assume i will be playing more St4 lines, but i just cant figure out a way to get an advantageous position with my team. 10 beastmen 1 warrior.
here is a link to the way he lined up every time. I cant seem to figure out a good strategy for it.

Well, I guess you know that 1 warrior and 10 beastmen is not playing to your strengths. The question then is more why you would expect to go toe-to-toe at the LoS with that lineup.

My answer would be either to buy more warriors or don't try to take on high ST teams on the LoS. If you really must, take on the edges with opportune blitzes and foul a lot, try and even up the odds a bit

Shteve0 wrote:Well, I guess you know that 1 warrior and 10 beastmen is not playing to your strengths. The question then is more why you would expect to go toe-to-toe at the LoS with that lineup.

no of course not. but its early in the league and I am buying warriors as they become available.

what I am wonder is there a good way for st3 lineman to line up or approach this. still working on getting my first claw/mb/PO beastmen , so my option are limited.

lobosolo wrote: here is a link to the way he lined up every time. I cant seem to figure out a good strategy for it.

That's only 9 players... where are the other two...? And which ones are Sauri?

Digger Goreman wrote:

lobosolo wrote: here is a link to the way he lined up every time. I cant seem to figure out a good strategy for it.

That's only 9 players... where are the other two...? And which ones are Sauri?

the other 2 are kept back playing safety or brought up to support the side the ball goes to. i think they were Saurus. well maybe 5th week Chaos is just not going to win against the 5th week Lizardmen.
I have 7 more weeks ,hopefully thats enough time to get my team beefed up for the playoffs.

Think your error was made in team selection. I played my first game with chaos, took 2 warriors a mino and no re rolls. Also an error
Have you read this
http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/playbooks/Chaos.pdf

Its a good site. Most of the strat guides are good.

As to your problem Don't play his game, blitz the skinks, the one with the ball by preference but then the one you can get the most dice on. They will go down eventually. If he cannot pick the ball up he cannot win.

Part of the answer to your question is team composition. The others are right that you didn't take enough Warriors.

Part of the answer is diagonal blocking. I don't normally advocate a 9-man line, but you'd have little difficulty getting 5 2d blocks with 6 actions, just by loading up and blocking away from the lie of the ball. That leaves you a blitz free to 3d a Skink.

I'd put my Warrior in the 0-column (in the middle) and Beastmen on the line in the 1-4 columns. I'd put one halfback Beastman right behind the line of scrimmage in the 0 column, and a fullback in the middle of my half. The side the ball goes to is the playside. The other is the offside. On a touchback, or on a kick that goes to the zero-column, you can pick your own playside. (On a touchback, give the ball to the fullback, and as soon as you finish your line-blocks, use the line as a cage-front.)

– – – –|– – – h – – –|– – – –
– – – d|c b a W a b c|d – – –
– – – –|3 – 1 0 1 – 3|– – – –
– – – –|– – – – – – –|– – – –

1) Fullback moves to protect the ball, does not try to pick up. If it goes deep or to the sideline I may not actually pick it up on T1. (It's worth considering taking two fullbacks instead of a halfback for this reason; that's a question of individual risk analysis, and certainly had I had even one more Warrior to consider it wouldn't be a concern, as I would have 3 backs.)
2) Offside b blocks 3 tech, pushing straight back or powing diagonally back, not following. Offside d may position to protect ball or cover space as needed. On a deep kick, he should maybe drop back, while on a shallow kick he should perhaps consider stepping out one square so as to form a proper screen.
3) Warrior blocks offside 1 tech, pows vertically but pushes laterally, follows. if he pushes, offside a blocks him too, pushes away from the line (pow or not), doesn't follow.
4) Playside a blocks 0 tech with 2 assists, follows on a pow, pows or pushes straight back. If backside a has not acted, he's now free.
5) Reposition offside c to space vacated by W or playside a. Playside b blocks 1-tech 2d, doesn't follow.
6) Playside c blocks 3, doesn't follow.
7) d, h, maybe backside d, and maybe backside a, are all free to move. If you can't get the ball or keep it safe and blitz a Skink 3d (or maybe blitz that 1-tech 2d with the Warrior's assist if you didn't get him down the first time), that's not my problem.

Lizards are one of the tougher matchup for a young chaos team.

Chaos relies on ST/AV on the warriors early on, and the 2D blitz from a BM.

But with the roster you have, he has more ST/AV on his blocker pieces, and 2D sans block/tackle isn't that great against the skinks.

The best suggestion I could make would be to try and lock his Saurii away from where they need to be, and then hunt skinks - eventually he will fail a 3+ dodge and if you keep the Saurii away he can't really knock down your players. Of course the problem is that av8 won't last that long. You've got about 1/3 chance of an armor break...

keep to the edges and outnumber the saurus with a beast man, blitz in with another then slowly knock his line down. As stated this would be easier with more chaos warriors and re-rolls, but I understand taking the mino early to hope for MVP's on him

More warriors I think. Sorry the team set up is your main issue