range ruler question

[Deathwing]

We measure anytime, anyplace, anywhere. Can't see the point of evrybody learning the formula to give the range by counting squares (It's easy enough and everybody would do it). It's not like WH or 40K where you sometimes have to judge distance..there's squares to count and therefore you can work it out without too much trouble. So why bother?

I'd like to know the official stance on this at Tournies though, I guess it's down to the organisers.

[neverdodge]

LRB 1.3:

once per turn a player on the moving team isallowed to make a pass action. The player is allowed to make a normal move,and AFTER he has COMPLETED the move he may throw the football.=>P13

What you are talking about is the throwing sequence. But it is clealy said that you must move before throwing and checking the range.

i m just agree with what ls says (it s in the rules he s right) but i think i prefer house that one and allow people to do it anytime they want.

[Snew]

LRB 1.3:

once per turn a player on the moving team isallowed to make a pass action. The player is allowed to make a normal move,and AFTER he has COMPLETED the move he may throw the football.=>P13

What you are talking about is the throwing sequence. But it is clealy said that you must move before throwing and checking the range.

Now you're just being difficult. It doesn't mention anywhere in there where the range is checked.

[longfang]

It's quite possible that there's a problem with the translation.

[neverdodge]

Yes you can say that all your block make an injury !
But that is not the rules.

First of all, the coach must declare where the player is
trying to throw the ball to. The player can throw the
football to another player in his own team (or another
player in the opposing team if he really wants to), or
simply to an empty square, though obviously the first of
these options will be the most useful – and may keep
him from being attacked by his own team members! The
ball may only be passed once per turn.
Next, the coach must measure the range using the
range ruler. It is perfectly acceptable to pre-measure
the range to several players before you declare who
you will throw the ball to.

the uncertain wording or misinterpretation of the rule come from here

and nop longwolf, we re french but i think we all play with the english rulebook, and that s to avoid translation problem...

btw i just didn t even take care of that before longshot reply that you re not allowed to measure anytime you want, now, just like deathwing i m curious knowing the official stuff....

[Ghost of Pariah]

This definitely is something that should be handled by a commish on a case by case basis.
Newbies aren't gonna know the distances very well while some of us vets could probably play the whole season without the ruler.
It's not fair to tell a newbie in our league that he has to move before he measures the range since most of us can do it in our heads.

[Bevan]

There is absolutely nothing in the rules to prevent you from starting you turn (after moving the counter) by grabbing the ruler and saying "Now if I had a player here with the ball, it would be a short pass to that square there, if I can put a receiver there." Then you start making blocks and shifting players around until eventually you get two players in the right positions to make a pass possible. If some of your blocks didn't work out you might remeasure between some other squares. The only limit is the time limit.

The coaches who limit measuring either have a house rule, or they are thinking of games in which pre-measuring is forbidden. Since pre-measuring is specifically mentioned in the rules and there is no limit mentioned on when you can and cannot do it, it is permitted at any time.

Forbidding or limiting pre-measuring would just end up with us all doing square-counting, which would just be a pain for everyone.

[Colin]

I don't see what the big deal is about. No need to get too anal with the game. If a guy needs to pre-measure to see how far he has to move or if needs to GFI, then let him do it, what's the harm?!

[DoubleSkulls]

If you forbid measuring I'll just bring along a cheat sheet with the ranges written down. If you forbid that I'll just have to memorise them.

Ian

[Ghost of Pariah]

CYLONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Longshot]

and nop longwolf, we re french but i think we all play with the english rulebook, and that s to avoid translation problem...

btw i just didn t even take care of that before longshot reply that you re not allowed to measure anytime you want, now, just like deathwing i m curious knowing the official stuff....

Not Longwolf=>Longshot (snif)
I woulike the official stuff too.
But as i said, for a newbie, i tell him, but not for an experienced coach.

[neverdodge]

Not Longwolf=>Longshot (snif)

sorry, i mean longfang ;p

[Moonsong]

We have always ruled that you can measure only at the end of movement, not for distance reasons, as you all have pointed out it's just a matter of memorizing the table, but for the reason that this way there are more chances of interceptions. If you can measure after 3 or 4 squares, it becomes too easy to avoid possible interceptions.

Moonsong