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I'm new here (hence the post location) and from what I've read a lot of people hold the same opinion as I do regarding the style and quality of the 3rd edition miniatures. That is, they are almost across the board inferior to the 2nd edition ones. The Dark Elves are the only side which I can think of that is on a par.

I was wondering if anyone knew why GW took a more fantasy based approach for the 3rd edition?

What happened to Jes Goodwin, Mark Copplestone and Kev Adams?

Does GW still own the rights to these miniatures? If so, based on the prices on the secondary market (ebay) there's a real demand for 2nd edition gear, so why not cash in on that and reissue them? I saw Jes Goodwin's elf Kicker 1 (Flat top haircut & head band) go for 22 pounds on ebay the other day.

Fassbinder75 wrote:Does GW still own the rights to these miniatures? If so, based on the prices on the secondary market (ebay) there's a real demand for 2nd edition gear, so why not cash in on that and reissue them? I saw Jes Goodwin's elf Kicker 1 (Flat top haircut & head band) go for 22 pounds on ebay the other day.

Because the people that make the decisions (i.e. the money men) don't beklieve they'll sell, regardless of the 2nd hand market, and yet they refuse to license out the molds to let someone else sell them (or even test the water for them).

Hi,

Welcome to talk blood bowl

2nd edition elves are cool and so are alot of OOP production mini's from Games workshop. They could quite easily put them back into production but I'm sure it will never happen. Iv'e become very cynical about such organisations as time has passed and I'm not the only one. It seems like GW just try and make money instead of doing it for the fun of it.

Anyway hope you enjoy the forum.

Ant

purdindas wrote:It seems like GW just try and make money instead of doing it for the fun of it.

I think the fun stops when gamers realize that there are bills to pay to keep the business running..... All that time playing games and not reading that economics book really stuffs those kind of ideas up.

GW has done what it needed to do. Now they have gone so far away from 'home', there is no going back.

frogbear wrote: GW has done what it needed to do. Now they have gone so far away from 'home', there is no going back.

Yeah, I can appreciate it needed to make changes in order to survive/expand however, they seem to have lost touch with gamers I feel.

I'm not misty-eyed about a more innocent gaming era or oblivious to the hard commercial realities that GW must face in a more difficult corporate arena than it did in 1988. I understand their army-based business model, and I appreciate their committment to keeping a game going even though it doesn't fit that model - I know they like to make a buck like anyone else, which is why it surprises me that they have not even remotely attempted to capitalise on the demand.

Also, thanks for the welcome. Masses of info, its a BB overload

Welcome along mate. Age old questions you will see a truckload of posts here on.

Bottom line is GW does what it wants and keeps all the money to itself. Doesnt even like retailers trading in BB pruducts it does produce, wants all the spoils to itself.

I think GW do rather well considering the small size of the hobby and the consequent small flows of money from it.

And I would prefer GW to stay in business "for ever" for the continued good of our lovely hobby.

It will be interesting to see what happens if and when the PC/console game of BB becomes a success. That's where GW's BB investment money is going at the moment, presumably. If the project is successful, I would expect plans to re-invest in figurines.

All the best.

i wouldn't have thought gw were investing anything in the game

I would imagine they are being paid a licence by the company making the game

GW aren't investing any money into the BB computer game. Cyanide were forced into making it as part of a court action, after GW sued them for copyright over the Chaos League game.

You also have to consider whether GW are capable of making the old BB figs, they had a clear out a few years ago of all the old casts for models, destroying most of them. It wouldn't surprise me if they went as part of that process.

I'm sure Cyanide was more than happy to be "forced" in to making a Blood Bowl computergame.

GW don't invest much into Blood bowl. I heard the new Griff and Zug mini's were only released because they were used by a new sculptor and had already been sculpted.

I'm pretty much sure that GW would drop blood bowl if they could. They hide it away from most of the gaming community so that people dont get into it in the first place. This is because they want to steal as much money from people as possible by promoting their other games. Games were you have to spend a few hundred pounds just to play the game.

They have no soul.

Not that I'm defending GW exactly, they do have a rather hostile attitude towards ther hobbyist fans, but at least now Blood Bowl (and the other Specialist Games) are on their official site.