field kicks?

[DoubleSkulls]

please use the not teh, makes reading it rather hard

Agreed - I have to stop and translate every one

[GalakStarscraper]

I think you've underestimated teh impact of FG's on teh game drastically, galak. To me, it seems like just creating an imbalance in teh game.

That's what a lot of folks seem to believe ... its just not true.

Look the MBBL finishes it 2nd round today. We have some of the best coaches out there and we have our far share of Elf and Skaven teams. 40 teams over 2 rounds = 40 games played. Total Field Goals scored to date in the MBBL: 4.

One of the basic rules to say that something impacts drastically is to show drastic impact ... I'm not seeing it. Even by the folks that looked forward to the Kicking rules being used to prove how broken they are are not scoring with them. The odds of a kick working almost always means you'd be better off trying for a TD. Don't know if you've seen the kicking rules as they stand now ... if not look at the AG roll to get the kick off:

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AGILITY TABLE
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Player's AG          1  2  3  4  5  6+
D6 roll required     6+ 5+ 4+ 3+ 2+ 1+

Kicking Modifiers
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Kicking the Ball                        +0
Per opposing tackle zone on the player  -1
Attempting to kick a field goal         -1
Attempting a Field Goal from 
   a Wide Zone square                   -1

In fact ... I'm almost to the point where I think one of the biggest complaints about the rules the point changes for scoring TD and FG can be removed and you just say its a scoring attempt and make them both worth 1 point. Chet's league is currently testing this. If in his league it doesn't seem out of line, the MBBL will try it for Season 3. If we do this then we'll make FG the same as TD (ie worth 3 SPPs).

Oh and as for a tactic option really only for the agile/fast teams ... 2 of the 4 field goals were scored by Orcs and Halflings ... why ... because fast/agile teams have better odds usually to just walk into the End Zone and you don't need to roll dice to do that.

The current kicking rules are very balanced. It is in no way a gimme play even for Skaven GRs or WE Catchers. In fact a lot of the time such players are going to just turn the ball over. Also 2 players with Pass Block do a world of hurt to a kicking game.

I won't rehash it all. The bottom line is the rules we are testing show the kicking rules to be a good addition to the game that does not create imbalance. As soon as someone proves to me otherwise I'll listen. But I just watched one of the most dramatic plays in my life for a team beaten into the ground to score a FG in OT to win the game. Its a hard sell at this point to convince me that they are broken without proof. Even Relborn has said the rules his league used were a lot more generous to the kickers as he was probably uses the BB Annual rules ... that's fine. Chet revamped the rules when he realized that the kicking didn't work the way he wanted to. I really like the new rules and what you can do with them.

If you want to check them out so you are sure what you are talking about you need two links:

1) The Kicking Rules:
http://www.midgardbb.com/MBBL/MBBL_Kicking.html

2) The team changes ... every roster has a Kicker position now
http://www.midgardbb.com/MBBL/MBBL_GWRosters.html

I know my Halfling team is saving up for a Kicker. Skills to give in order, Dirty Kick, Pooch Kick, Punt .. with Strong Leg on doubles.

Galak

[martynq]

Strong Leg is a must have for a kicker on doubles. My MBBL dark elves have tried twice (in two games) to score a field goal. Both times they failed on distance (by one square).

Cheers,
Martyn

[Shasta McNasty]

Already read the (<----okay, ill make an effort) kicking rules. As a matter of fact, despite my protests, they have been implemented for the (<--jeez, this is hard to remember) current season in my league. As for 'proof', I can't offer you any statistics, but you seem to have ignored my whole arguement. To reiterate a little (the point may have been lost in my other post, sorry):
High MA/AG players already have a better chance of scoring. This is a natural part of the game, and I have no problem with it.
These same teams have an advantage when trying to make a kick (higher MA = closer to the endzone, lees squares needed, higher AG = better chance to make an accurate kick). Simple fact.

p.s, having just checked it out, so far this season, we have played 15 games, and there has been 4 succesful attempts at a FG, using the rules Galak has posted links for. Someone was keeping record of the attempts, but I cant find it.

[Ghost of Pariah]

Change the points? No that would be stupid! The ONLY reason I'm not trying for FG's with my gutter runner is because the points are less.

If you change the point system for next round you can put me down for a Wood Elf team.

Don't change the point system just to get people to use some stupid rule. God, that is dense! The kicking rule works in simply making the last few turns of a game interesting. Thankfully it stops the only argument for progressive GFI's. (Although we'll get them anyway even though only the BBRC wants them)

Kicking is not that hard for MA 9 and AG 4. I don't know how you say it's not.

[GalakStarscraper]

p.s, having just checked it out, so far this season, we have played 15 games, and there has been 4 succesful attempts at a FG, using the rules Galak has posted links for. Someone was keeping record of the attempts, but I cant find it.

I'd be interested who scored them race wise.

So far in the MBBL, we've had 4 FGs one each from the following races: (Human, Orc, Dark Elf, Wood Elf)

ie not all Elves and Skaven scoring.

The only think I regret is not being able to give Strong Leg to my Treeman ... just once I'd like to try to hand the ball to him and see if he could kick a field goal from my own half ...

Galak

[Shasta McNasty]

Sorry bout the late reply galak... been offline all weekend

Team breakdown and FG's:

Skaven: 2
High elf: 1
Orc: 1
Human: 0
Undead: 0
Norse: 0
Chaos: 0