Chef Timing

[sann0638]

Search fail. When exactly is the Chef used? Before the kick-off of each half, but after the teams have set up?

This is how it is implemented on Fumbbl, and how I've always played it, but a famour rules lawyer* said something different at the weekend.












*Initials LM.

[duttydave]

The rules are not that specific. Under the inducement description for the Master Chef it says "Roll 3D6 at the start of each half to see what effect the chef's cooking has on the team".

After set up but before the kick sounds reasonable. Does it really matter?

What was his issue?

[Darkson]

We always play it before set up. It may dictate where you want to put your players if you end up with no rerolls (for example, do you risk the unskilled BOB or the Blitzer).

[sann0638]

What was his issue?

No issue, just an interesting debate. I would play before set up, but it's one of those things that is inaccurate. Might for example affect whether you put your Ag4 chap back or Ag3 with sure hands.

Rules nerding, mostly.

[lunchmoney]

It was an issue this weekend on more than one match that I happened to be sat next to.

Does it really matter?

Here's the example (names and races changed to protect the innocent) where it makes a difference:

Team Underworld has 2 RRs.
Team Halfling has no RRs but a chef.
Team underworld set up to kick, Team Halfling set up to receive.
The ball is placed and scattered. The kick off table is rolled. Cheering Fans. Team Underworld win a RR.
Chef is rolled and 3 4+'s appear.
Team Underworld now have zero RRs.

And the other way around:
Team Underworld has 2 RRs.
Team Halfling has no RRs but a chef.
Team underworld set up to kick, Team Halfling set up to receive.
The ball is placed and scattered. Chef is rolled and 3 4+'s appear.
The kick off table is rolled. Cheering Fans. Team Underworld win a RR.
Team Underworld now have one RR.

So it can make a difference.

Search fail..

I also cant find a post that I thought I saw. It appears I was making shit up

[duttydave]

Al, I can see that it would affect play in that example but I understood Mike was saying that the Chef roll was before the kick so that the above scenario of stealing a cheering fans re-roll shouldn't arise.

I can see how it may affect how you may wish to set up though.

I suppose if anyone is concerned then it may be best to roll before set up or agree with your opponent when the chef will be rolled.

[lunchmoney]

Al, I can see that it would affect play in that example but I understood Mike was saying that the Chef roll was before the kick so that the above scenario of stealing a cheering fans re-roll shouldn't arise.

The example I gave is from a match I was sat next to on Sunday.

[duttydave]

The example I gave is from a match I was sat next to on Sunday.

I guess in that instance the Halfling player was being a bit crafty or genuinely didn't know and it was a happy accident for him.

[Loki]

Al, I can see that it would affect play in that example but I understood Mike was saying that the Chef roll was before the kick so that the above scenario of stealing a cheering fans re-roll shouldn't arise.

The rule says "at the start of each half", it doesn't even say before or after the kick-off.

Another example: if you say it's before kick-off table is it before or after you decide to kick/receive (in 1st half) i.e. if you know you have trouble picking up the ball and the halflings steal all your re-rolls can you choose to kick and hope they don't steall all your re-rolls in the second half?

[sann0638]

Fumbbl plays it just after set up but before the kick. I quote them as when programming they hammered out a lot of minutiae (sp?)

[Darkson]

Fumbbl plays it just after set up but before the kick. I quote them as when programming they hammered out a lot of minutiae (sp?)

Don't, as they still have things wrong (not as many as Cyanide though).

[sann0638]

Such as?

[Darkson]

Such as the link.

[sann0638]

What?

[Darkson]

The link in my post.