New Human based race - Nippon

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:24 pm

I would say knock the Samurai's MA to 6, bring the price to 80k (Orc Blitzer), and bump the Sumo to 110k (CWs are borderline-underpriced, which is pretty much the only thing Chaos has going for it). Then I think it would be fun and balanced.

If they don't have a Big Guy or a player of Werewolf quality, and their linos aren't expensive, you can give them 10 positionals I think, especially if that's 0-4 Orc Blitzers and 0-4 Ghouls. A team like that, though, given its lack of defined Throwers or Catchers and the dominance of average positionals, will probably have to pay 60k for re-rolls. 50k is ok I guess if you keep the Samurai and Ninja both at 0-2, but that doesn't sound like as much fun.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:26 pm

mattgslater wrote:I would say knock the Samurai's MA to 6....

I say this because running even at average speed in all that armor is quite a feat!

King-Nerd · Post by **King-Nerd** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:01 pm

mattgslater wrote:I would say knock the Samurai's MA to 6, bring the price to 80k (Orc Blitzer), and bump the Sumo to 110k (CWs are borderline-underpriced, which is pretty much the only thing Chaos has going for it). Then I think it would be fun and balanced.

If they don't have a Big Guy or a player of Werewolf quality, and their linos aren't expensive, you can give them 10 positionals I think, especially if that's 0-4 Orc Blitzers and 0-4 Ghouls. A team like that, though, given its lack of defined Throwers or Catchers and the dominance of average positionals, will probably have to pay 60k for re-rolls. 50k is ok I guess if you keep the Samurai and Ninja both at 0-2, but that doesn't sound like as much fun.

I think the Orc Blitzer is under priced at 80K, so even with the reduction to Mv 6 I still think 90K, which is where I started! nut originally I had Mv7 and Av8, now Mv6 and Av9.

Sumo for 110k is a bit mad, that's mummie money for a Black Orc with Stand Firm and 1pt less armour. I think 100k is enough.

Thanks for your input though.

King-Nerd · Post by **King-Nerd** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:03 pm

Ok lets re-re-re-jig it a little

TEAM NIPPON v1.3 :

0-16 Linemen 50k 6/3/3/8 None G
0-4 Samurai 90k 6/3/3/9 Block GS
0-2 Ninja 70k 7/3/3/7 Dodge GA
0-2 Sumo 100k 5/4/3/8 Stand Firm GS

Rerolls 50k

Anyone else with any input?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:20 pm

I'd knock the fatties, I mean Sumo, down to AG2. They're just to fat to dodge well, and picking up a fast-moving ball is a little beyond them (hell, some of them couldn't even bend down to pick it up!).

duff · Post by **duff** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:18 am

I like the use of Japanese names for the other positionals.

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That said I prefer my choices about the number of Samuri and Ninjas in the team...

If you must have samuri, I would like them to be a drasmatic position rather than a work-man position, so a human blitzer would be better than an Orcish one, but something uniqu would be better again, say...

0-4 Samurai 100k 7/3/3/8 Block, Sidestep GS, after all, the Samuri needs to be good with his footwork...

King-Nerd · Post by **King-Nerd** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:51 am

Darkson wrote:I'd knock the fatties, I mean Sumo, down to AG2. They're just to fat to dodge well, and picking up a fast-moving ball is a little beyond them (hell, some of them couldn't even bend down to pick it up!).

I think you are falling for the distorted western view of a sumo wrestler and not the reality

My idea was more like the dude "Chiyonofuji Mitsugu", this guy kicked arse! he was lightning fast, sharp of mind and powerful and quite possibly the greatest sumo wrestler ever. They are definately not the same AG as a Skeleton or Black Orc.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:55 am

That's not a sumo!

This is a sumo!

King-Nerd · Post by **King-Nerd** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:03 pm

Konishiki was a f*cking joke. Big fat American "super-size-me" douche-bag. Tell that sh*t to the tourists.

"THE fattest sumo champion of all time retired on November 22nd, lamenting that, at 600lb (somewhat over a quarter of a ton), he was now too heavy to wrestle. The affable Hawaiian-born Konishiki slapped all-comers out of the ring for a brief period in the early 1990s, prompting Japan’s nationalistic sumo officials to worry that an avalanche of foreign giants might take the skill out of the sport of emperors. But then Konishiki’s knees started to feel the strain. As his weight increased, smaller, nimbler wrestlers found it ever easier to sidestep his fearsome charges, and he started to fall over and injure himself.

Konishiki’s career had its share of controversy. When, despite a fine tournament record, the sumo authorities refused to promote him to the sport’s highest rank on the ground that he lacked the necessary hinkaku (dignity)."

Ok lets re-re-re-re-jig it a little

0-2 on the Samurai. Now all 3 positionals have 0-2 reflecting the scarcity of those expert players.

TEAM NIPPON v1.4 :

0-16 Linemen 50k 6/3/3/8 None G
0-2 Samurai 90k 6/3/3/9 Block GS
0-2 Ninja 70k 7/3/3/7 Dodge GA
0-2 Sumo 100k 5/4/3/8 Stand Firm GS

Rerolls 50k

Thanks Duff, but I think Sidestep would make them too tasty as they don't have access to Agility skills. Anyone else with any input?

Post by **voyagers_uk** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:47 pm

the roster looks better, not sure I would ever choose them

maybe add wrestle to the linemen and add 10k then they could be Sumo in training for fluff purposes.

Wosret · Post by **Wosret** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:58 pm

Maybe something to consider

Nerves of steel on the Samurai for 10k
Grab on the sumo for 20k (the sumo should be 110k atleast as he is now so with grab 120)
Shadowing on the Ninja for none

Just more in flavour of the possible background and real-live knowledge

Possibbly there is a pricing problem as a starting team would consist of (with my price inreases) overall a good team with posible trade off for more lineman/reroll (before my suggestions even more so with 60 more to spend)
2x sumo 240
2x Samurai 200
2x Ninja 140
6x lineman 300
2x reroll 100
20 for whatever

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:41 am

King-Nerd wrote:I think the Orc Blitzer is under priced at 80K, so even with the reduction to Mv 6 I still think 90K, which is where I started! nut originally I had Mv7 and Av8, now Mv6 and Av9.

On a blitzer, I'll take 7/3/3/8 over 6/3/3/9 anyday: 2-turn score without GFI from off-the line, baby. Esp in a 0-4, that's huge. That's why there's a price diff.

King-Nerd · Post by **King-Nerd** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:17 am

TEAM NIPPON v2.0:

0-16 Linemen 60k 6/3/3/8 Wrestle G
0-2 Samurai 90k 6/3/3/9 Block GS
0-2 Ninja 70k 7/3/3/7 Dodge GA
0-2 Sumo 120k 5/4/3/8 Stand Firm, Juggernaut GS

Rerolls 50k

Will give a Tr100 of 2 Sumo, 2 Ninja, 1 Samurai, 7 Linemen, 2RR + 1FF.

Any thought on V2.0?

duff · Post by **duff** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:27 am

Like NOS on the Sam.

Sidestep was a p[ointer in the general direction as much as a specific suggestion. Others could be ...

Multiblock - probably broken
Leader
Sure feet - falling over would be too undignified
Stand firm - probably too good, usually thought better than S'step
Strip ball - good technique!

Jural · Post by **Jural** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:26 pm

One of the most colorful concepts is reduced to 7 3 3 7 Dodge?

No, if you are going to do this, add some flavor to the ninja and sumo that somehow separate them from the herd. Shadowing is at least a starting point on the ninja. OR make them similar to the Dark Elf assasin,

DE- 7 3 4 7 Stab, Shadowing
Ninja- 7 3 3 7 Stab, Shadowing, Dodge

For the Sumo, he's done well, but I would prefer Grab + Stand Firm to Stand Firm + Juggernaut. But should his movement perhaps be 4?

King-Nerd wrote:TEAM NIPPON v2.0:

0-16 Linemen 60k 6/3/3/8 Wrestle G
0-2 Samurai 90k 6/3/3/9 Block GS
0-2 Ninja 70k 7/3/3/7 Dodge GA
0-2 Sumo 120k 5/4/3/8 Stand Firm, Juggernaut GS

Rerolls 50k

Will give a Tr100 of 2 Sumo, 2 Ninja, 1 Samurai, 7 Linemen, 2RR + 1FF.

Any thought on V2.0?